Fernando:

Once again, I can't recall your quote on a supposed "basque nationalist", although, of course, I can't possibly know what all basque nationalists ever say, the same way I can't about every spanish nationalist.

Do not confuse anger and rage (that sometimes your lies provoke in me) with emotivity. It's not easy to write calmly when you see your homeland and your people insulted once and again and lies written in front of an international audience. Are you paid for this? By who?

I mean, you do a real campaign, with that work you take to restart this polemic issue and bring it to debate again and again everytime ETA acts. This cannot be casual.

About your "saying what you think", I am pretty sure of. What I doubt is wether you "think what you say". Please, don't play the "moderate Fernando" now, because the old MM members know well the "exalted insulting Fernando". I can refresh your memory with links if you want. Or better..., go on , I prefer the moderate style, but don't YOU try to give me classes on education, please, I find it funny.

About wether everyone who oppose me is a fascist, please, don't put words in my mouth. I can say by myself when some posturing is extreme-rightist in my opinion or not. I still haven't called anybody fascists yet. Please, share yor imaginary insults with yourself only.

I went through your list, and I can say that there are not hundreds of thousands, but a couple of dozens. Still, it's a pity that anybody has to leave his land, but we don't know wether these people had to leave or wanted to leave.

One can feel uncomfortable because he has treasoned his people or because people know he is a footman of the police and the spanish government, and feel ashamed to look at his town folks in the face, but that doesn't mean he is menaced anyway.

Anyway, there are people menaced , I never said the opposite. But they are maybe hundreds, not hundreds of thousands (See the difference?).

And there is people menaced everywhere and in every side of a war. That's why me and other people in this forum are for a pacific, politic solution. Basically allow people decide, but the Spanish governments, all of them, haven't even evaluated publically the possibility, although the attitudes of the rightist right wing parties (Aznar faction in PP) have denied the possibility strongly in public, like an anathema, while moderate left parties (PSOE) have privetely had some negotiations that gave no results, and Izquierda Unida (spanish socialist-eurocommunist party) supports and is member of the Basque Governmet.

Remember Franco's motto: "Una, Grande, Libre".

Since we cannot be "Big" and cannot be "Free" (and much less under Franco in despite of his motto), his inheritors at the PP, try at least to preserve the "Unity".

Also, who can say which were these people's reason to leave, in despite of what they/you say: I live in Madrid because of my work, but I could easily say I am in exile because of menaces if I was paid enough or I had political reasons for that. Am I exiled?

Quintos:

I am usually opposite in opinion to yours, but in this case, I must partially agree: The war will not cease without a political agreement. Ever.

Because most basques support independence and a substantial minority support violent actions since everything else has proven and proves today to be a closed way.

There are only three ways:

- The basques unite against ETA and independence .
- The basques unite for independence.
- The spanish people thinks it over and allows referendum for independence in the BC. That is, if the controlled by the government media lead them that way, as usual.

So, after all, this is a matter of political posturing for the spanish nationalist parties, and they will never do that without pressure. I am for political pressure, but not everybody is.