Hi All,

I wanted to post this article ( in Spanish, sorry to those of you who do not read Español) to show visitors to this site, and those of you who are regulars, that there are many in Spain that support the USA and BUSH, contrary to what you will hear in the tripe they call their 'free press.'

Many will agree with me, many will not, so allow me to quote anyone so leftly inclined's favorite pundit, James Carville, Here goes:

'Muchos Españoles Celebramos la Victoria de Bush'
Federico Jiménez Losantos

El formidable respaldo popular a Bush ha hecho que muchos españoles festejen la victoria republicana como propia. Y no tanto por quien ha ganado como por quienes habían apostado por su derrota, entre los que figuraban todos los antiamericanos europeos
Podría haber ganado Kerry y no hubiera perdido América, es decir, los USA, porque en lo esencial no hubiera desertado de sus obligaciones internacionales. Pero en algunos países de la decrépita Europa (esto ya no es vejez, es decrepitud) la campaña política y mediática contra Bush ha sido tan nítida y ferozmente antiamericana que la reelección del Presidente supone una confirmación de los valores y principios políticos que, con los inevitables aciertos y errores de toda obra humana, rigen la actuación internacional de la primera potencia mundial, que es único valladar de la civilización de la libertad desde hace varias décadas. El formidable respaldo popular a Bush ha hecho que muchos españoles festejen la victoria republicana como propia. Y no tanto por quien ha ganado como por quienes habían apostado por su derrota, entre los que figuraban todos los antiamericanos europeos, sin excepción.

A la cabeza de este antiamericanismo, aunque siempre a la cola de Francia, figura el Gobierno socialista de Zapatero, con sus aliados comunistas y separatistas; y, por supuesto, su gran mentor ideológico, el imperio de Polanco y sus satélites, que son casi todos los medios españoles y que, en su frenesí pro-Kerry y anti-Bush, han retorcido y manipulado de tal forma la realidad que han acabado creyéndose sus propias mentiras y, en consecuencia, haciendo el más espantoso de los ridículos. Si el premio Ondas de este año se lo ha autoconcedido la SER por la manipulación golpista del 11-M, incluyendo la invención de los terroristas suicidas y el frustrado golpe de Estado del PP, el año que viene lo merece cumplidamente por su retransmisión de la victoria de Kerry. A este paso, la SER podrá seguir dándose muchísimos premios pero va a tener que eliminar la fonoteca. La culpa la tendrá, naturalmente, Acebes, que según la SER era el sucesor de Aznar y a quien nunca han perdonado que no ratificara su exclusiva. Qué risa.

Pero, ya en serio, los españoles que, sin cerrar los ojos ante los errores de la guerra de Irak, creemos que los países occidentales deben apoyar a los USA en la guerra contra el terrorismo islámico y que lo último que debe hacer un país europeo es precisamente lo que ha hecho la España de Zapatero (que no es toda España), queremos también recordar que George W. Bush ha sido el presidente norteamericano que ya desde su primer viaje al extranjero y de forma más clara apoyó a España en su lucha contra el terrorismo, tanto el etarra como el islámico, que como va demostrándose cada día más claramente, son prácticamente el mismo. En fin, viendo los que apoyaban a Kerry, los españoles amigos de la libertad teníamos casi por obligación que apoyar a Bush. Por eso celebramos su victoria. Si, además, el actual Gobierno español tuviera la humildad, la sensatez y el patriotismo de rectificar su deriva antiamericana y recuperar la alianza estratégica con los USA, nuestra alegría sería completa.

Well, it was obvious if someone wanted to represent that 20% or less of population who supports Junior, they would look for a PP right winger like this.

His trajectory has been:
- Until 1986 Diario16: Sensationalist newspaper right wing
- 1986/1997 ABC super conservarive newspaper far right wing
- From 1997 beggins new column in new (then) right wing sensationalist newspaper El Mundo.
- Goes back to ABC in 1999 but two of his articles on Alberti (one of our most notable poets, and a leftist), and ex-minister Solchaga, are censored in the newspaper (I believe for being insultant and becuase they could lead to legal consequencies for defamation), and he leaves.
-Goes to Información Liberal, an unknown magazine edited each three months, in 1999.
- Becomes editor of a tiny, absolutely extremist rigth libel: Libertad digital, which is unknown to the boad majority, and despiced by the rest.

His book "la cultura española y el nacionalismo" was refused publication repetedly for the many lies and some of its chapters were clasified as simply unpublishable.

The same happened to his book "lo que queda de España" which had to be published by a "nouvelle" writers editorial, being refsed by all other (Spain has hundreds od editorials, it's a big business here, for all spanish-speaking countries).

This guy is an extreme rightist that feels uncomfortable even in PP, because he is more to the right, and I personally believe he would be happier in Fuerza Nueva, the franquist party. Even Falange (fascist) would be too leftist for him. He obviously has a diarhea of words with ideas constipation, which is the reason why he cannot be acepted evn in the more conservative media iin the country.

I'd be glad if the 1.000 persons that think like him woud be all that like Bush, unfortunately, there are more. But those wouldn't agree either with this XXXXXXXX (insert here any ugly word, I'll refrain to put the one I am thinking).

Mmmm, just 1,000?

Anyway, it seems you forgot to mention that he writes a daily column in El Mundo (10 million newspapers sold everyday) and runs a daily radio magazine in COPE Radio more than 1 million audience).

He is, like it or not, one of the main journalists in Spain.

Fernando

Ignacio,

Most of your reply is purely subjective. And aside from the list of 'facts' you mention, it is liberally sprinkled with your own sensational adjectives.

Is that even possible?

Your profile indicates that you are from Madrid. Do you realize how conservative many areas of Spain are? For example, La Mancha.

It does not matter anyway. You are so sold and angry in your beliefs...

Anyway, for those of you who are more open-minded, check out Libertad Digital when you get a chance.

andrew

Megia:

I am not from Madrid, although I live in Madrid.

There are "subjective parts", if you want to call them this way, but people in Spain woundn't consider that calling those newspapers right wing or ABC conservative right wing (or PP right wing)is "subjective" but an accurate definition.

It is. It's not subjective that he "left" ABC (that right wing of the conservatives newspapers) because he wrote some articles on 1999 on Alberti and Solchaga they rejected publishing (guess which was the general tone for a super conservative newspaper to censore them when speaking about leftists, it had to be pure sue material or they would have be glad with it).

And that fact is not "subjective". It´s biographic.

Yes, like in the USA, the more underdeveloped, and rural, an area is, the more conservative it is. However, accordingly, it's population level is extra low. DO you know how many people live in Ciudad Real? And still, there are still a reasonable percentage of other sensibilities there too.

And among those conservatives or PPeros, there is people with conscience that do not aprove mass killings; as surveys prove, a wide majority of PP voters condemn the war.

I don't know the meaning of "sold" in this context, I hope it doesn't mean the usual meaning it has, becuse it wouldn't be nice at all.

And I don't use to be angry when answering here at the board. Maybe I sound like that, and sometimes are, but most, I am just irked (I´ll try to use more smileys, to represent my feelings when writing).

Saying that reading Libertad Digital is for open-minded people is like saying that Hitler "Mein Kampf" is for open-minded people.

In some way, it is, because an open mind has to be open to any input. In fact, I have browsed their pages because I have an open mind , but reading a libel like that does not contribute to your information AND can also biase you throught false info. After you are open-minded enough to read a fascist leaflet, you don't need to keep on reading fascist leaflets anymore unless you're a fascist too.

Perhaps americans should look in the mirror of who is aproving Bush policies in the world. IS it a coincidende that para-fascist parties like Berlusconi (who never hided his admiration for "Il Duce" (Mussolini) are the ones who support you? Why will it be?

Before you mention it, in Britain, Blair is helping you, against his parties opinion, and he's got a big contestation inside.

Perhaps americans should look in the mirror of who is aproving Bush policies in the world.

Who cares ? Bush's job is the security of the US, not doing what other world leaders think he should do. I understand Bush is very unpopular in Europe, but so what ? He was just re-elected by the majority of the people in the country he serves.
You all wanted Kerry, and lost. Too bad. It's not your election. Try and get Kerry to run in Spain if that would make you happy.........it would certainly please me.

ColinK,

Thanks, Megia,it is good to know that there is a diversity of opinion about Americans and the U.S.

Actually under the Zapatero thread, Ignacio, Fidel and I have been somewhat discussing this subject. And you are correct not all Spaniards are anti-American. If you read the leftist El Pais, you are not really getting the full view. I also read la Libertad Digital and the conservative ABC.com.

As a matter of fact one of the big issues in the Spanish press recently is the unfortunate lack of success that Sr. Zapatero has had in trying to establish a relationship with Mr. Bush after the election.

Apparently he has tried reapproachment and has been ignored. Some of the press blame Zapatero for this, they said that Zapatero should not have allowed his personal views to overshadow his responsibility to the people of Spain.

Mr. Bush recently met with his friend, former president Aznar. He invited their Royal Majesties, The King and Queen of Spain to dine with his family in Crawford, Texas this next Wednesday. Fairly much saying that while he may have issues with Mr. Zapatero, who has been fairly open about his patent dislike of Mr. Bush, he respects and will continue to work diplomatically with the Spanish people.

Zapatero's own ministers are encouraging a reapproachment more for economic than political reasons. They seem worried, from the articles I have read.

If one does a Google seach of "Bush and Zapatero" both in the Spanish and the U.S. press many articles point out what you have said, Megia.

Error ColinK!

Bush direct responsability is to americans, but as long as USA is the main World's power and acts to defend its interests and maintain peace and order in other countries, it has a responsability to all the World, like it or not.

Every US president has understood that.

If not, USA would not have participated in WWI, WWII, and all the wars since then.

Fernando

I agree that the US has a responsibility to the rest of the world. That does not include voting in the president that most Europeans would prefer. Eurpoeans must now deal with the fact the Bush has been re-elected. To normalize relations it will take both sides extending a hand, not just the US.