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#77095 - 09/20/03 11:41 AM Re: Do you remember, months ago, a certain issue on Irak?
mikey Offline
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Registered: 06/12/03
Posts: 67
Loc: ny
Taken from an article on cnn.com about a meeting between Blair, Chirac and Shroeder.

"Obviously Iraq will be discussed as will other European matters," the spokesman said, adding that Saturday's meeting would be "informal" and was called "by consensus rather than anybody talking the initiative."

"rather than anybody talking the initiative."
:p

Thought that was pretty funny in the midst of this thread.

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#77096 - 10/04/03 12:09 PM Re: Do you remember, months ago, a certain issue on Irak?
Martín de Madrid Offline
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Registered: 08/18/00
Posts: 225
Loc: Colmenar Viejo, Madrid, España
I don't think other countries should help the US. If Bush has enough money to give 2 trillion $ to the rich, then he can just revoke the tax cuts and finance his stupid, illegal war. He went into this ignoring world opinion, lying, misleading people about the seriousness of the situation, now he is paying the price, or rather, the taxpayers and their sons and daughters in the military are. Bush did not/does not have a plan for he thought his troops would be hailed as liberators like Paris after the Germans were repulsed in WWII, and did not plan for alternatives. Now he is demanding everyone else come in and clean up his mess, and save his butt, without any control. Why should they, especially since Bush will not share power, planning or anything. He wants other countries to toe his line OR ELSE! Well, the world does not work that way. His globalization cuts two ways. I am an expatriate mainly because of what this idiot has done since the "election." Until we have a truly democratic, ELECTED government which cares about the people, not just the wealthy, then I will return to live. Hopefully not before. The warmongers DO owe us peaceniks one immense apology! Zane is right!

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#77097 - 10/04/03 04:14 PM Re: Do you remember, months ago, a certain issue on Irak?
Booklady Offline
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Registered: 08/19/01
Posts: 1664
Loc: U.S.A.
A very interesting piece appeared in Front Page Magazine Democrats on the Record
Quote:
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."

President Bill Clinton. Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

President Bill Clinton. Feb. 17, 1998.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force &#8211; if necessary &#8211; to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

Sen. John F. Kerry, D-MA. Oct. 2002.

"[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."

Sen. John F. Kerry, D-MA. Jan. 23, 2003.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-MA. Sept. 27, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY. Oct 10, 2002.

We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."

Sen. Bob Graham, D-FL. Dec. 8, 2002.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."

Madeline Albright, Clinton's Secretary of State. Feb 18, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."

Madeline Albright. Nov. 10, 1999.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."

Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser. Feb,18, 1998.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

Letter to President Clinton, signed by Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others. Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-CA. Dec. 16, 1998.

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."

Letter to President Bush, signed by Sen. Bob Graham, D-FL, and others. Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."

Sen. Carl Levin, D-MI. Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

Vice President Al Gore. Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

Vice President Al Gore. Sept. 23, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."

Sen. Robert Byrd, D-WV. Oct. 3, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."

Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-WV. Oct 10, 2002.

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-CA. Oct. 10, 2002.
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I guess Ms, Zane et all have a long list of Warmonger apologists! rolleyes
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#77098 - 10/04/03 04:44 PM Re: Do you remember, months ago, a certain issue on Irak?
OsoMajor Offline
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Registered: 04/06/03
Posts: 330
Loc: Garden Grove, California
WELCOME TO THE DEAD HORSE BEATINGS THREAD!

Pick up a stick and start whacking!!!

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#77099 - 10/04/03 04:55 PM Re: Do you remember, months ago, a certain issue on Irak?
Anonymous
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Hehe. smile smile smile smile

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#77100 - 10/04/03 08:02 PM Re: Do you remember, months ago, a certain issue on Irak?
Booklady Offline
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Registered: 08/19/01
Posts: 1664
Loc: U.S.A.


laugh It takes a lickin' and it keeps on kickin'
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#77101 - 10/06/03 04:27 PM Re: Do you remember, months ago, a certain issue on Irak?
El Cid d'España Offline
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Registered: 10/23/01
Posts: 111
ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Seriously enough, let's get back on track before MM closes this thread, shall we? confused

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#77102 - 10/06/03 08:23 PM Re: Do you remember, months ago, a certain issue on Irak?
OsoMajor Offline
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Registered: 04/06/03
Posts: 330
Loc: Garden Grove, California
What for? What's the point?? What's it going to resolve??? Absolutely nothing!!!!!! Everything's been said, all the sh*t's been slung at each other .

Ya basta!!!!!! Move on.................
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#77103 - 10/07/03 02:23 PM Re: Do you remember, months ago, a certain issue on Irak?
El Cid d'España Offline
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Registered: 10/23/01
Posts: 111
The main purpose of ARGUING and DISCUSSING is to clear up issues that we need to revolve on our own terms in this forum. Being evasive or oblivious to what is going on around us is NOT going to make it go away at the snap of a madrileño's finger. Seriously, this is how wars end up starting in the first place.

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#77104 - 10/07/03 04:54 PM Re: Do you remember, months ago, a certain issue on Irak?
Anonymous
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The problem about that is that some issues are painful or touchy for most people, and the result of some debates is getting angry with each other, maybe insults, moderation, lots of hours of posting + looking up in the Net for sources,...

... and in the end, as Osomajor says, no conclusion is extracted. The previous debate and discussion has stated the positions of the participants, for anybody who wants to get information. The debate was beginning to be a circular reasoning , and it was getting closer to arguing.

Once that we expose our positions and reason them, is there any specific reason to keep on putting fire in the oven until we begin to insult each other or, at least, be rude? Because I have seen that before, and its disgusting and rarely helps to acquire more knowledgge. rolleyes

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