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#64457 - 05/22/04 03:46 PM The after effects of March 11
The_Keeper_at_Home Offline
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Registered: 03/16/04
Posts: 64
Loc: Madrid
Hi all,

I have thought long and hard before posting this, but since coming home from wondering around town today, and seeing the reactions of a few people felt I have to say what I want to.

March 11 was a terrible day for Spain in particular and for the world in general but now that the wailing and gnashing of teeth is over, we should still remember the victims.

Today, walking around Madrid, whilst all the royal wedding stupidity (I’m Not a royalist but that is beside the point), was going on I sat down to have a cup of coffee.

Homelessness doesn’t from my eye seem to be the problem here, that it is in London or Paris, but I watched people today abusing beggars at worst and circling them at best.

The victims of the bombings did not all die.

There will be people whose lives have been wrecked even though they carry no scars. I want you for one second to imagine the wreckage of a human body that an explosive device can cause. Firstly, amongst the survivors there will be the burns and missing limbs.

There will be people who will from that day onward will no longer father or mother children, genitalia and reproductive organs ripped and torn.

There will be burn victims whose faces will disturb you. You will not want to turn away and stare, but that human part of you will want to see anyway.

There will be people who through no fault of their own, will now feel fear every time they the sound of a train pass, who will break into sweats at every loud noise, like a firework. They may not be able to work anymore, they may break into tears at the thought of lost lives and hopes.

Let one good thing come from the terrible events of March 11, let it reawaken your compassion. Remember that there but for the grace god (whichever you follow) goes you.

The Keeper.
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#64458 - 05/22/04 04:21 PM Re: The after effects of March 11
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Registered: 06/23/00
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Loc: Macomb, MI U.S.
Keeper,

I totally agree with you post. It's your signature I'm having a real problem grasping.

If "everything you know is wrong", then how could you make that statement? After all, a statement is based on what you know. confused confused confused

Am I overthinking the problem? laugh
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#64459 - 05/22/04 04:29 PM Re: The after effects of March 11
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Loc: Madrid
Everything you know is wrong is a quote from Robert Anton Wilson. It means that you can prove nothing in total certainty. I believe that there is nothing you can prove, only opinions exist therefore no contradiction.
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#64460 - 06/13/04 09:18 PM Re: The after effects of March 11
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Registered: 10/23/01
Posts: 111
This goes to show, never allow arabs into your nation. I might offend some people on this forum, especially the overly "Sensitive" anti-racist ones, (and might get banned as a result), but there are others who will agree with me on this. Arabs have always attacked, slaughtered, and enslaved others and often themselves in the past. They should not be allowed to attack others any longer.

If I have offended you, I am NOT sorry. smile

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#64461 - 06/13/04 09:25 PM Re: The after effects of March 11
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El Cid d'España, I'm sad to read your racist posting, generalizing an entire people for the actions of a few fanatics.

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#64462 - 06/13/04 09:29 PM Re: The after effects of March 11
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I'm not racist. I'm just angry.

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#64463 - 06/14/04 08:43 AM Re: The after effects of March 11
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I'm not looking to start a fight here, but I feel compelled to respond. El Cid, I hurt for people like you who feel the need to make comments like that. Stereotyping an entire group based on the actions of a subset of that group gets us nowhere. I'm not arab, and I'm not from an arab country, yet one of my best friends, is from Iran, now living and studying in the states for the past 2 years. He is not a terrorist, nor is his family. He is in our country trying to improve himself, so that one day he can go back to his country and try to make a difference.
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#64464 - 06/14/04 05:36 PM Re: The after effects of March 11
Silvita Offline
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Registered: 01/28/04
Posts: 148
Loc: Chicago
I'm sad that Madridman is sad, yet doesn't delete the post.

And you probably won't offend too many people, El Cid. There are a lot of right-wing Arab haters on this site.

I will pray for you.

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#64465 - 06/15/04 10:57 AM Re: The after effects of March 11
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Registered: 01/25/01
Posts: 1235
Loc: Rockford, IL/Milton, WI, USA
Silvita,

That's an interesting comment. Now you're categorizing people and determining they are racist. That sounds kind of bigoted to me.

I agree that we can't judge all by a few. Since I have close friends who are Muslims (throw out that "Arab" crap, they come from all nations, and many are blacks, others caucasians), I think we have a problem that isn't going to go away until we start to see a change in the Muslim community, where they start to help in the process of ferreting out the "would-be" terrorists. At this point its very little help if any, since they are sticking together in many respects, and saying it isn't their place to do anything against a fellow Muslim.

Add in the fact that many of the Mosques here in the US have "sleepers" who are potential terrorists, and wouldn't mind killing their own to protect their identity, it's difficult for them to step forward and take a stand. They need help from society to do it, and at this point, its not there, and there's too much distrust of anyone who is a Muslim.

But, Silvita, you really have to put aside your own prejudices to be able to call people bigots like you are. Even though I disagree with the poster who says "no Muslims allowed," I find your comment just as caustic.

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#64466 - 06/15/04 03:28 PM Re: The after effects of March 11
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Registered: 10/23/01
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Quote:
Posted by Kelar419
I'm not arab, and I'm not from an arab country, yet one of my best friends, is from Iran, now living and studying in the states for the past 2 years. He is not a terrorist, nor is his family. He is in our country trying to improve himself, so that one day he can go back to his country and try to make a difference.
You've just insulted your friend by saying he's an Arab. Just ask him. Many Iranians aren't Arab at all. However, I respect your opinion and wouldn't dredge upon it. Just because I distrust Arabs doesn't make me a racist. rolleyes

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