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#64413 - 05/07/04 08:23 AM
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I saw this on the BBC website today. Extremely interesting:
FBI agents have arrested a lawyer from the US state of Oregon in connection with the Madrid train bombings which killed 191 people.
Muslim-convert Brandon Mayfield, from Portland, is the first known person in the US to be held over the attacks.
Newsweek magazine reported that the man's fingerprints had been found on a bag that had carried explosives used in the attacks.
Spain has brought provisional charges against more than a dozen suspects.
The 11 March bombings, Spain's worst terrorist attacks, are believed to have been the work of Islamic militants with links to al-Qaeda.
Mr Mayfield, 37, is being held as a material witness in the case, but there was no officials statement on his alleged connection with the bombings.
'No connection'
Newsweek said the lawyer had done child custody work for one of six Oregon Muslims convicted last year of trying to travel to Afghanistan to help al-Qaeda.
Reports say authorities searched Mr Mayfield's home and office.
Mr Mayfield's brother told Reuters news agency his brother had "no connection to terrorist attacks".
"I think the reason they are holding him is because he is of the Muslim faith and because he is not super happy with the Bush administration," he said.
"So if that's a crime, well you can burn half of us."
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#64414 - 05/07/04 08:52 AM
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Nothing surprises me anymore. And what's more, while it may simply be because this story is SO fresh, there's not a word about this on the front page of USATODAY.com and is the 4th "side story" on CNN.com (article HERE ). From the CNN article: According to the sources, Mayfield's fingerprints were found on a plastic bag with bomb-related material that had been connected to the Madrid attack.
The sources said Mayfield, 37, is being called a material witness, which means he can be held and not charged.
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#64415 - 05/07/04 12:47 PM
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Got kind of quiet here all of a sudden. Hmmmm...Interesting....
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#64416 - 05/07/04 01:16 PM
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Interesting, indeed, Madridman. Here is an article that may shed more information about this topic:
American Held in Madrid Bombings
By Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 7, 2004; 12:00 PM
The FBI detained an Oregon man yesterday after his fingerprints were identified on evidence connected to the March 11 train bombings in Madrid that killed 191 people, according to a law enforcement source.
Justice Department prosecutors and FBI officials last night would not name the man or even confirm that he had been taken into custody. The man, however, was identified as Brandon Mayfield of Beaverton, Ore., by his wife, Mona, who talked to reporters outside their home. His detention is the first in the United States connected to the Madrid bombings of four commuter trains.
Newsweek magazine, which first reported the story on its Web site yesterday, and other news media said that Battle, a convert to Islam, was detained as a material witness in a grand jury investigation, a tactic law enforcement agents have employed since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The tactic allows them to hold a person without bringing formal charges.
The magazine, citing unnamed sources, said that "Mayfield's fingerprints were found on a bag containing bomb material connected to the Spanish attack" but that officials remained uncertain about any role Mayfield may have had.
A spokesman for the Spanish Interior Ministry confirmed that the fingerprint was among evidence found in relation to the March 11 attacks. Spanish investigators could not identify the fingerprint, so it was distributed to other countries, including the United States.
Authorities there identified it as belonging to the attorney in Portland. They arrested him and are handling the whole investigation of him, according to the spokesman, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the usual practice in the Spanish government.
The spokesman was unable to clarify contradictory information of whether the print was found on a plastic bag or one of the detonators.
At present, the Spanish government doesn't know if it will request the American's extradition. It depends on results of the FBI investigation, the spokesman said.
So they have not stated for sure whether this man's alleged fingerprints are on the bag or the detonator! How is the Spanish press covering this news story?
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#64417 - 05/07/04 05:36 PM
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Booklady et. al. ... Here´s a link to the article that appeared in today´s El Mundo . Article cut and pasted below. El Mundo 7 mayo 2004 EFE Las huellas del detenido de EEUU estaban en la bolsa de la furgoneta de Alcalá de Henares MADRID.- Las huellas dactilares del abogado estadounidense Brandon Mayfield, detenido por el FBI en el estado norteamericano de Oregón, estaban en una bolsa hallada en la furgoneta localizada en Alcalá de Henares (Madrid) pocas horas después de los atentados del 11 de marzo. Según han informado fuentes de la investigación, las huellas de Mayfield fueron encontradas en una bolsa que contenía varios detonadores como los empleados en los artefactos explosivos que fueron colocados en los trenes que estallaron en las estaciones de Santa Eugenia, El Pozo y Atocha. En este vehículo, que había sido robado a su propietario en el barrio madrileño de Tetuán, se halló también una cinta con versículos del Corán. Mayfield fue arrestado en la ciudad de Portland por agentes de la Oficina Federal de Investigaciones (FBI), según ha informado la revista norteamericana Newsweek, que afirmaba que el abogado está retenido como "testigo material" de los hechos en el marco de la investigación de un Gran Jurado. La familia sostiene su inocencia La familia del abogado estadounidense ha defendido la incocencia del arrestado. "Sé que es inocente. Todos saben que es inocente, y esperamos su liberación pronto", ha declarado su esposa, Mona Mayfield, a las cadenas locales de televisión. Por su parte, la madrastra del detenido, Ruth Alexander, ha considerado que la detención "es totalmente increíble".
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#64418 - 05/07/04 09:57 PM
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Reality says that if his fingerprints are found on a detonator, he's as culpable as the rest of the people who were arrested. If his prints were found on just a plastic bag, it may take a bit of time to determine if he was culpable, or knowledgeable about what transpired, or was about to transpire. In either case, how can you justify turning the man loose so he could bolt into Canada, and into a safe haven? Especially when he may have information that could help lead to the arrest of others who were involved in the incident?
Since the FBI and Spanish government are being mum about where the fingerprint was actually found, it's all speculation as to whether or not he should be held or not, or is innocent, or not.
But one thing is a fact. He obviously had something to do with someone who was directly or indirectly involved in the bombings, and that should be warrant enough for anyone to find out how much he knows. It would be a stretch to believe he's just an innocent bystander.
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#64419 - 05/08/04 01:36 AM
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Don't be so sure about your "facts". It is a little hard to know if the man obviously did something or not, since he is being held incommunicado, with no formal charges, and no ability to defend himself to the press.
According to an interview with his wife by a local paper, only a partial fingerprint was found. She also says that no one in the family (her husband, her, their children) has left the country (US) in the last 10 years. If her statements are correct, then his level of involvement with the Madrid bombings, if any, is not at all obvious.
I, for one, am not making any conclusions about the man's guilt or innocence at this time.
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#64420 - 05/08/04 10:53 AM
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vicki wrote: I, for one, am not making any conclusions about the man's guilt or innocence at this time. Unfortunately, we live in a world/culture that socially convicts a person BEFORE (s)he's been put to trial. In many people's minds, if you're even accused of some wrongdoing then you MUST be guilty.  If this guy is NOT somehow linked to the Madrid bombings then it's one of those amazing coincidence considering his known association with terrorists. As a lawyer, he defended one accused terrorists in a child custody case. Saludos, MadridMan
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#64421 - 05/09/04 02:39 AM
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It's interesting that this guy's fingerprint came up at all. Even if Interpol has eight points on the print, and the FBI has 15 points on the print, it's still interesting that this guy's name even came up.
Remember, as an ex-officer of the ARMY, this guy's DNA is on file with the government, especially since he has security clearances. Given this alone the FBI probably has better intel about the guy than Interpol.
Never been to Spain? There are such things as fake ID's. Or, maybe he acquired detonators and mailed them to Spain somehow and that's how his print appeared?
Also very interesting is that he was the lawyer for one of the 'Seattle 7' muslim guys that were porting explosives and funds between Canada and the USA.
I agree, though, this guy is innocent until proven guilty. But the fact that his name came up, and a few other items about his past are associated with known militants, is pretty uncanny. Thanks for enduring my speculation...
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#64422 - 05/09/04 04:41 PM
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Ok, first of all, it's the "Portland 7" not the "Seattle 7." They were charged with conspiracy - training with the Taliban, and trying to travel and join the Taliban in Afghanistan...not with transporting explosives, nor with planning attacks agains civilians or non-military targets.
Secondly, Spanish authorities (reported in El Pais and others) are reporting they only find an 8 point match for the fingerprints. The FBI reports a 15 point match. As a frame of reference, the FBI considers a conclusive match to be 24 points or more.
Thirdly, the fact that he took a child custody case, for someone who at that point (2002) had not been convicted of conspiracy (conviction was in 2003), is a tangential relationship. The (now) convicted conspirator had/has the right to an attorney in the child custody case. What has been made public so far, is not as you say "a few known items of his past" that are associated with militants. It is one item.
Finally, look at truly speculative nature of the rest of your comments. There are plenty of vulnerable targets in this country, not to mention in the Pacific Northwest. Why travel to Spain, where he would not blend in? Why mail detonators from Portland? Haven't Spanish authorities already determined that the detonators came from inside Spain?
I'm not saying it is an impossible connection, but why is all this speculation towards the man's guilt, when he could just as easily be innocent? So far, the trend is towards a weaker case against this guy, not stronger. Maybe the US government has other compelling evidence against the guy, or maybe it is just a claim of evidence that does not exist. We just don't know, do we?
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#64423 - 05/09/04 10:46 PM
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At this point it's an investigation and nothing more. In essence, we don't really know what the FBI does and does not have as evidence. We probably won't know, unless he's charged with a specific crime, and even then, we may never be told exactly what evidence there is, and it might not come up except if he's extradited to Spain to stand trial.
As far as the points of identification related to the fingerprint, there's also the possibility of DNA that can be conserved from the handling of materials, and nobody has said a word about that. There may also be two places where there are fingerprints and combined they could exceed the 21 points, but we don't know if that's a fact either.
Since we believe everyone is innocent until there's reasonable belief they have committed a crime, I'll withhold my judgement on this matter, and even then, allow the courts to make the decision, since that's where the issue will be decided.
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#64424 - 05/09/04 11:41 PM
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Well Vicki you sure set me straight. Ok everyone, no more speculating. But if you do decide to speculate, be sure to run it by Vicki for an ok. Why do you think I ended my post with Thanks for enduring my speculation... ?? "A few known items?" Ok, *two*: 1. he is a convert to islam 2. he has a connection to another suspected militant muslim, albeit, via child custody battle Why do you say this guy wouldn't blend in in Spain? The FBI issued two search warrants to further investigate him. Warrants are neither issued nor requested without probable cause of *some* type. Sorry to spill beer in your wheaties, Vicki, but you're not in control of how others want to speculate. Deeply sorry to have offended you.
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#64425 - 05/10/04 08:58 AM
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So he is american and he might be found guilty of the 11-M bombings... and? I don't care which nationality he has. If he is guilty he should be jailed. The fact of being american doesn't mean USA has anything to do with Madrid bombings. In fact, Mohamed Atta, the main leader of the 9-11 attacks organized the operations from Spain  Islamic terrorism is very international, and Al-Qaeda cells are composed of people of many nationalities Fernando
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#64426 - 05/10/04 11:55 AM
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Fernando,
Apparently the Spanish government is waiting on the preliminary investigation by the FBI to determine whether or not he should be extradited to Spain. If there is reason to believe he has been involved in any way or form with those bombings, that will more than likely take place almost immediately, unless he fights extradition.
I think he might fight extradition hoping for a chance of being freed here, but if it reaches a point where its requested, I doubt he'd win. It would show there's certainly evidence to indicate he's been involved.
Rest assured, the US would not find any excuses to keep him here instead of handing him over to Spanish authorities. The only catch would be in the courts, and that would just be a losing cause on his part.
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#64427 - 05/13/04 01:11 AM
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Megia- Sorry if I sounded harsh, that was not my intent. You were speculating. I was pointing out what I see as flaws in the speculation, not trying to control it. Regarding your other comment on conversion: "A few known items?" Ok, *two*:
1. he is a convert to islam
Since when does the fact that someone converted to Islam 15 to 20 years ago make them a militant? Not all muslims are militants. I thought we had freedom of religion in this country. Notably, the guy has been described as not overly religious, and a "liberal" muslim (meaning opposite end of the spectrum from religious fanatic). Regarding why I don't think the guy would blend in in Spain. Well, I was thinking of the fact that he has red hair (I know there are Spanish redheads, but I just think redheads are always noticeable), and to my knowlege does not speak Spanish. But you have me there, according to news reports he is so unremarkable that even some of the other tenants in his office building do not particularly remember him. Maybe he dyed his hair, got a fake passport, went to Spain, and planted a bomb when there are vulnerable targets sitting practically in his back yard. Stranger things have happened. Regarding warrants, I am not aware of reports for more warrants being issued, so I can't speak to that one. Well, all this speculation could go on and on in endless circles and I am getting dizzy (not to mention sleepy, since it is past my bedtime). To paraphrase Wolf, we may never know what evidence the FBI does or does not have. In the end, neither you nor I have any control over the situation, so I am going to give it a rest for now.
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#64428 - 05/21/04 12:26 AM
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More recent developments in this case. The Portland guy has been released after two weeks in detention without charges. Turns out those fingerprints that were a partial match to the Portland guy belong to an Algerian. Link to news article here: Article
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