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"I hope there is no mtrouble this time, and that its a good clean game".

there was and no it was not

report to follow

i know Billy, i was horrified!!

i dont know what the Spanish papers are saying but over here the papers are going mad with the reports of police brutality towards the bolton fans,everynight there are long articles from people who were hit with batons and they were innocent bystanders, bolton have filed a complaint with uefa about the treatment dished out and ive just seen Atletico have been fined £30.000 pounds for not controling the crowd? (what thats for i do not know) it wasnt the crowd it was the riot police deciding that they wanted a riot, apart from all that we had a GREAT 3days in glorious (well it is to us at this time of year)weather and apart from the gound there was little trouble in the city

got loads of great pictures of ALL the events if you want them?

ive just found out the fine was for allowing the Atletico fans let off flares

billy, good result for Bolton over two legs, I was very surprised given to two teams respective league form.

Given that you have an eye witness account, it is hard to disagree with your version of events. However, it does make me wonder when every time English clubs travel anywhere and there are almost inevitably problems, and the British press inevitably blames the heavy handed foreign police force, if that can always be the case.

What is also strange is that Spanish football has more domestic problems than English football in terms of fighting, yet less problems on their travels.

I would like to see some piccies too though. Do you ever update your web site btw ?

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"Do you ever update your web site btw ?"

well yes and no, because it is just a bit of fun and nothing to serious and it is not officialy on the web i sometimes get downhearted and think can i be bothered when nobody is looking at it, then i get a remark or comment and i think great and get my enthusiasum back

Anyway at the stadium
im not saying for one minuete the bolton fans were whiter than white, in fact i nearly clouted a drunken lout near me who was baiting the Madrid fans who were sat next to us. the problem was these drunken yobs (and yes thats what they are)were not watching the game they were goading the riot police and were facing them so as soon as the police charged they ran off and the innocent fans watching the game got the full force of the batons, it did not matter old young women children they felt the full force, and they were holding there hands up to fend off and were just getting bashed around the body it was not nice to see, if the yobs had got leathered then i would have appluded the police but im afraid its never the ones who deserve it get coshed.
like i say the Madrid fans (who were milling around us)were great no problems and we were having good banter.
The incident behind the goals where the Atletico ultras hang out was ive heard a protest at the price of tickets they charged when bolton could sell ours at 5 pounds at the reebok and it was 44 euros at the cauldren they set off a flare which was a signal to empty the stand in protest, when all but a few left they fought between themselves and that promted the police to charge. The bolton fans who were in the que to get in were charged by 3 police horses and people taking pictures and video were getting there cameras whacked out of there hands
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cnYb0igskxU
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Re13pSG5Vmk
loads of people had head wounds and bruises and one lad a fractured wrist the planes looked like they had been in a war zone on the way home

in answer to the question of english fans traveling abroad i think it has a lot to do with the 90s when we had a bad reputation travelling abroad i think the police still think they are all like that when we played munich there was the same police presance but no trouble but tottenham in Seville and Aberdeen in Madrid both had fan problems. the Madrid fans were just as noisy and boistourous in bolton never a problem with the police or fans they in fact enhanced the atmospere with their presance and were a pleasure to see and hear
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Anyway forget the post MadridMan is this the longest post youve ever had? gotta be near the record and especialy considering i could carry on a bit longer

Wow, some reply Billy !

I have read and enjoyed some of your blog, the bits about Madrid, Wembley and Benidorm, so your efforts aren't in vain.

I've also looked at the videos and photos, all very sad and quite scary really. What is obvious to me is that, regardless of whose fault it is, if UEFA doesn't act there will be a more fatalities at football grounds.