Tour Madrid with MadridMan! BACK TO
MadridMan.com!
Sponsored Links

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 >
Topic Options
#43841 - 06/25/02 03:46 PM origin of castellano?
mikerod76 Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 11/25/01
Posts: 26
Loc: florida
Hello,

Does anyone know the origin of castellano? I know it comes from Latin, but did it mix with something else to form? Did it just evolve naturally with no mixing?

Top
#43842 - 06/25/02 04:13 PM Re: origin of castellano?
picara Offline
Member

Registered: 06/14/01
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico, USA
OK, here's the short version (which is all I'm capable of giving, lol!):

vulgate Latin (i.e., a "people's" version) was used in Spain in the early centuries, even after the Roman Empire lost its force. Then comes the 8th and 9th centuries when Arabic peoples and culture spread across Spain. Arab had a very strong influence on Spanish.

Then, of course, jump to 1492 and international colonialism. The indigenous languages (different by region, by country, etc.) also influenced the Spanish with which they came into contact. Slowly but surely, these changes made their way back to the mother country.

How's that for short and sweet? wink
picara

Top
#43843 - 06/26/02 03:47 AM Re: origin of castellano?
El Boqueron Offline
Member

Registered: 06/09/00
Posts: 421
Loc: UK
I remember someone gave a very thorough answer to this question (or one very similar) in another thread somewhere. Ring a bell, anyone?

Top
#43844 - 06/26/02 05:33 AM Re: origin of castellano?
Miguelito Offline
Member

Registered: 01/23/01
Posts: 603
The language come from latin. The rest of languages just increase the vocabulary. The main language after latin increasing our vocabulary is arabic, many words about the new technologies and products they brought and many others (I think this is the topic we talked about long time ago).
Then some words come mainly from german, greek, french, native american languages and english (in these days, lots of them)

Top
#43845 - 06/26/02 08:52 AM Re: origin of castellano?
Fernando Offline
Executive Member

Registered: 07/05/01
Posts: 1551
Loc: Madrid, Spain
El Boqueron, I think that I was the one who posted it wink

Anyway, since this is a fascinating topic, and I have finished my exams, I will write it again.

All what I'm going to write is the way I think it is, the way I have been taught, and the way I have readen it was. It could be more or less accurate.

The Iberian Peninsula was populated by different realms and cultures before it was colonized by ancient civilizations.

The natives were the Celts (which had their influence more strongly in the north of the Peninsula, and also in Ireland), the Ibers (I mean íberos) which were even native or paneuropeans, and Tartessos (a extinct culture which is said to be settled somewhere in the south, perhaps in the Cadiz province). All these cultures merged with years into a "common" one called celtibers (celtíberos).

Then we had migratory fluxes coming to the Peninsula, with phoenicians (fenicios), greeks and cartagonians (is that the word? I mean cartagineses) founding sea-ports along all the mediterranean coasts of the Peninsula. From that times we still have some towns: Cádiz (which was given various names by the phoenicians, the greeks and the cartagineses, Gadir, Gadis, Gador, ...), Cartagena (Cartago Nova), Sagunto, etc

The cartagineses and Anibal had conquered and colonized the southeastern half of the Peninsula, but they were a threat to the romans, who decided to conquer the Peninsula. They called it Hispania, or hispanic provinces, and divided it into different subprovinces (whose borders changed at the same time the Roman Empire did): Lusitania, Tarraconensis and Betica.

The romans left here countless cities, monuments, and a precious treasure: the common lathyn. Hispania also gave to the empire some emperors, as Trajano and Adriano.

Some cities founded by the romans are: Tarragona (Tarraco), Barcelona (Barcino), Zaragoza (Caesar Augusta), Ciudad Rodrigo (Mirobriga), Mérida (Emérita Augusta), Sevilla (Hispalis),...

At the fifth century a.C. the Roman Empire was overrun by the goths, which were germanic tribes with much less culture than the romans. The Peninsula received migratory fluxes of theses tribes: Suevos (Northwest), Alanos, Vándalos, Bereberes and Visigoths (which were the most numerous). The common lathyn evolved acquiring germanic words (guerra, bizarro, brigada,...). The visigoths, as the previous cultures, mixed with the natives.

Then the arabs came (in 711 a.C.), and conquered almost all the Peninsula, except for the northern regions (Asturias, Cantabria, País Vasco). Keep in mind that the arabs were only about 100000, and the natives were a handful millions. But the arabs culture was superior than the one of the natives, and thus, Spain was arabized. The common lathyng evolved taking lots of words from the arab (words like alguacil, almohada, agua, acequia,...).

For some centuries the arabs remained here, but were defeated by CarloMagno in Poitiers, so they didn't cross the Pyrenees. Some other muslims came to the Peninsula: sudaneses, northafricans,...

The it started "La Reconquista", and the birth of modern spanish languages. The unconquered north natives started to push south the arabs. From west to east these were the kingdoms that existed:
Astures, Leoneses, Castellanos (which were firstly a basque county between the current Cantabria and País Basco), navarros, aragoneses y catalanes (which were aragonese counties, but I include them because they kept their language).

All these kingdoms had their own language, evolved from the common lathyn, and thus similiar to the others. The basques conserved their own non-lathyn language. It is said they did it because, as mountaineous as it is the Basque Country, the romans couldn't influence them, or didn't conquered them at all. What it seems true is that the basque come from some place in what is today the Caucasus.

The christian kingdoms begun to conquer the arab caliphate of Cordoba. For centuries, the christian kingdoms continued to conquer de south territories, and the languages evolved. At the west, the gallego-portuges remained as a language, but the astur and the leonese merged in one language. Then it was the castellano in the center, and in the east the navarro and the aragonese also merged. Catalonian remained also as a language, spreading through Valencia and the Balearic Islands.

In 1492 there were only 4 realms remaining: Portugal (which was formed from a castlilian county) with its own language, the castilian language had merged, overrun its side-languages: the astur-leones, and the navarro-aragones, the Castilian Kingdom had also merged with these realms. The Aragon Kingdom remained with the aragonese and the catalonian as its languages.

In the same year lots of important things happend:
The "Catholic Kings" Isabel from Castilla and Fernando from Aragon had married and signed an alliance.
Colon discovered America, which was left to colonize for castlilian natives (that is the reason the castilian is spoken there, and not the aragonese-catalonian), the aragoneses colonized Cerdeña, Sicilia and Napoles (they were given in exclusivity the Mediterranean).
In 1493 Navarra was anexioned by force by the Castilian Kingdom.
In 1492 the last moslem kingdom (Granada) was conquered by united forces of castilians and aragoneses.
In 1492 the spanish jews were made to abandon Spain. They still conserve their own arcaic castilian, called sefardí.
In 1493 the spanish moslems were made to abandon Spain.
Spain gained religious unity by loosing her best agricultors and comerciants.
In 1492 the Canarian Islands were colinized, then in 1493 the cities of Ceuta and Melilla were founded, and other forts were occupied (Orán, Tanger, Túnez,...).

The realms united when Carlos I inherited them. He was the most powerful king ever, being king of Catilla, Aragón, Navarra, Napoles y las Dos Sicilias, Netherlands and all the american territories, Philipines and the Germanic Empire.

His son Felipe II also inherited the throne of Portugal.

All these realms had their influence in the spanish languages.

In the last centuries other cultures influenced the remaining languages (french, english, native american-indians, italian,...).

And that is the history. Now you now why in Galicia the galego is spoken, why in Portugal the portuguese is spoken, why the bable (a castilian dialect with most conexions with the ancient astur-leonés), the basque, the castilian and all its dialects, the catalonian and all its dialects, and every local dialect all around Spain smile

I'm really proud of this richness, and all the influences the spanish languages have had throught their history.

Fernando

Top
#43846 - 06/26/02 11:43 AM Re: origin of castellano?
CaliBasco Offline
Executive Member

Registered: 10/17/00
Posts: 1495
Loc: Idaho
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaawwnnnnn....does anyone have a Vivarin? (or should I say "¿tiene alguien un Vivarín?") laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
_________________________
Ongi etorri!

Top
#43847 - 06/26/02 12:10 PM Re: origin of castellano?
picara Offline
Member

Registered: 06/14/01
Posts: 41
Loc: New Mexico, USA
heavens. sólo sé que no sé nada... and when it rains, it pours!

Thanks Fernando! smile

Top
#43848 - 06/26/02 01:21 PM Re: origin of castellano?
Booklady Offline
Executive Member

Registered: 08/19/01
Posts: 1664
Loc: U.S.A.
Hola Mikerod76,
By the way Fernando, that was an excellent and thorough summary of tracing the linguistic roots of modern Spanish.

Modern Castillian or "Castellano" originated in Castilla, the Central Region of Spain. After the unification of Spain in 1492, Castellano naturally emerged as the "official" language of Spain because it was recognized that a central language was necessary for the easy communication among the different regions, and the new American territories . It is notable that among the events taking place in 1492 was the order by their Catholic Majesties, Ferdinand and Isabella, to develop a common grammar. So in 1492 Elio Antonio de Nebrija, wrote the first grammar of Castellano. Castillian was officially declared the language of Spain by Philip V in 1714.

If you are interested here is an authoritative website that will provide many links to the history and development of Castillian. History and Dialectology of Spanish
_________________________
The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page.
--St. Augustine (354-430)

Top
#43849 - 06/29/02 01:14 PM Re: origin of castellano?
Castiza Offline
Member

Registered: 09/11/00
Posts: 176
Loc: Madrid
Jo Fernando, menudo repasito de la historia de España que te acabas de marcar! eek wink

The most curious thing I found out recently is that, due to the fact that Sicily, Sardinia and Southern Italy once belonged to Spain, Catalan is spoken in the north-west of Sardinia (in the Alghero region) and the regional dialect of those places is closer to Spanish (i.e. they say verano instead of estate).

Top
#43850 - 07/01/02 02:18 AM Re: origin of castellano?
madrileño Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 07/01/02
Posts: 2
In few words, Castilian language is the latin language spoken by Basque people.The base of the language is Latin and other classic languages (about 96% of vocabulary), but the substrate of the language is mainly the Basque language.Every laguage has a substrate that determinates basically the sound and the evolution of the words, and Spanish laguage was born in the limits of Castile, La Rioja and the province of Alava, and in this area the people spoke mainly in Basque.There are other substrates in Spanish language, mostly the Celtic laguages of Northern Spain, the Iberian laguage and the Greek language, but they are not so determinating like Basque language.

Top
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 >

Moderator:  MadridMan 
Welcome to the ALL SPAIN Message Board!
MadridMan's Live WebCam
Shout Box

Newest Members
LauraG, KoolKoala, bookport, Jake S, robertsg
7780 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
Tomas La Vigne
Who's Online
0 registered (), 1800 Guests and 11 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
MadridMan.com Base Menu

Other Martin Media Websites: BarcelonaMan.com MadridMan.com Puerta del Sol Plaza Santa Ana Madrid Tours Madrid Apartments