In my opinion, the winner of the Spanish elections has been Al-Qaeda. I think Ben Laden will be very happy today with the Spanish results.

We, the Spaniards, will we be now safer with the new socialist goverment? Or perhaps will we be more vulnerable on islamic or ETA terrorism?

But this is democracy and the people have spoken. Personally I believe this is a step backwards, and I expect the new goverment works better than the conservative goverment that has just left.
Islamic terrorism is a danger for everyone in western societies because we have different cultures and all we are unfaithful.

So in your opinion, millions of electors have voted Bin Laden.
In your opinion PP was the ONLY choice possible, wasn't it?
A biased and sad opinion, IMHO.
Now I'm glad that PP is out of business.

Say what you will deibid, the terrorists wanted the defeat of the present government and they got it. And you gave it to them.

Your new leader has said that his number one priority is to fight terrorism - how? By announcing that Iraq was a mistake and he is pulling the troops out -

I bet THAT got Al Q shaking in their boots!

What's the next great step? - Forming a coalition government with them???

Fup

Do you guys think Al Queda hates you because you supported the United States? Or because you are a free society that allows freedom of Religion?

Face it guys, Al Queda hates everything about freedom. Take a look at Afghanistan before we took out the Taliban. Look at Saudi Arabia who, in my opinion, is NOT our ally as it is my opinion they play both sides against each other. They act like our ally and then keep their people impoverished and illiterate and blame the civilized world for their position in life when, in fact, it is the billionaire leaders in Saudi that want to keep and retain their power and wealth. Saudi doesn't allow women to even drive a car and face it, there is no freedom in many of the Muslim countries. Liberal stances are meant to change. I have stated that I am conservative, but that is in the United States only. These countries, much like the United States did when fighting imperial rule by England, have to adopt liberal policies of change. Of course, the reason I am conservative now is that I think we, in the States, have come to a place in time where we don't NEED to change anything to any great extent anymore. I am happy with the United States. IMO, the ONLY way to route out terrorists is to take away their bases of operation. Places like Saudi? Well, we need to stop supporting them so much as human right's violations never need to be rewarded......much like the United Nations did when they appointed the Sudan, Communist China, and Libya to the Human Right's Council. That alone should wake people up to the fact the the United Nations is nothing more than a farce that deals in appeasement and "feel good" policies. It is a vehicle for the less-developed countries to blame their woes on the developed. Is that ever constructive? When they should be looking inwards, they instead blame others. That's good if you want to enslave your people with the notion that their problems are always caused by someone else. ....but it's assinine to say the least. Sadly, it happens every day.

and how do you know what the hell terrorists wanted?
Do you call uncle Ladden every evening?
Remember that the present gov. is as legal and as democratic as the former, and that it's the sovereign people of the Kingdom of Spain who decides wether OUR troops stay iside or outside of Iraq.
And the US should have never asked our country for troops, in the first place. Who's the US gov. to do that? The UN and the NATO are the only possible ways, and it should have been like that all the way.
The present Spanish gov. is doing what should have been done months ago.
And the terrorist have nothing to do with that. They only kill. That's why 201 brothers are dead.

Do you think that pulling out will ensure safety? How about the Basque Separatists? Should you just give them what they want so that they will stop attacking? I know it's comparing apples to oranges, but you can't negotiate with terrorists. You can either A) Fight them on your home soil or B) Take the war to them. I will, as a former soldier, always choose B. I was trained to fight, my countrymen and yours, unless they were in the military, were not. Civilians aren't equipped to handle what the military is/was trained to do. You guys would have to close all doors, suspend all trade with the US and other members of the coalition, and become an isolationist country to stop them from attacking. Then, you could buy some time, but only a little. Like I said, we weren't in WWII, but were attacked because we supported England and cut oil to the Imperialist Japan. Should we have boosted up the oil shipments to Japan just so they could plunder the Pacific and her islands and nations? Sometimes you have to take a stance.

The US asked Spain as friends and allies. The UN - even NATO are ineffectual to action without US leadership. They even left Bosnia & Kosovo, which was on their own doorstep, hanging.

Doing the right thing isn't always popular.

And Al Q didn't make it clear what they want? - You're being silly.

Fup

Well, the NATO is that precisely: the official list of 'friends and allies'
Why did the US act on their own?
Because Iraq did never attack any ally. So, the war was not legal.
Yes, the terrorists must be attacked and stopped forever...
read carefully...
L E G A L L Y.
And I know the intentions of the terrorist attack on Madrid (other than terrorizing), but the fact is that the people of Spain has freely and democratically chosen.
And we don't really mind if that's what the terrorists wanted or not. That's the point, it's what WE WANT, not what they want.
We are a sovereign country and we have chosen because I REPEAT the former gov. has made a lot of errors, going to Iraq being one of them.

....but we didn't act on our own.

>>Remember that the present gov. is as legal and as democratic as the former, and that it's the sovereign people of the Kingdom of Spain who decides wether OUR troops stay iside or outside of Iraq.
And the US should have never asked our country for troops, in the first place. Who's the US gov. to do that? <<

Oh, the logic of the left astounds me. So, Spain is a sovereign country, as is the US. Got it. But then why can't the US ask sovereign Spain as an act of international goodwill to join the fight on an international menace--i.e., Saddam Hussein? And why can't a sovereign Spain agree?

No one has implied that the recent election in Spain had an "undemocratic" result. In fact, it is that the majority of Spaniards choose to be cowards and appeasers of terrorists that is so disheartening. Go your own way, France. I mean, Spain.

Again, it seems that if there's no territory to be gained, Eurotrash governments aren't willing to join their so-called allies in a fight.