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#39009 - 03/15/04 11:32 PM Re: MULTIPLE TRAINS BOMBED IN MADRID
Quintos233 Offline
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Registered: 10/23/02
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I have to admit have my political views are pretty far to the right. I don't consider my self a racialist but if you consider some one that wants to perserve Spanish culture and Spain as best as possible and have 0 immagration then I am a racist.... How ever the new socialist government is what the terriost want this new liberal government will allow more immagrants to flood in. We have to distinguish between being tolerant and being dumb. Muslims hold no place in Spain as far as im concerned. Al Qaeda has also admitted to reconquering the lands fought for and died for over 700 yrs with their people a new invasion this time using an invisible enemy be fore warned.

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#39010 - 03/15/04 11:39 PM Re: MULTIPLE TRAINS BOMBED IN MADRID
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Ok, had to decipher your post.....what about Spaniards that weren't religious at all and wanted to become Muslim? Should they be ousted as well? Religion isn't the cause of this tragedy nor is it the reason we have terrorists. THEY use it for a scapegoat and YOU buy into it. Smart.
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#39011 - 03/15/04 11:44 PM Re: MULTIPLE TRAINS BOMBED IN MADRID
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I fail to understand what the advantage is about immagration other then giving bussiness money. Also do we want a Spain so clearly divided al ready amon regions languages etc. under a new foreign religion grow up guys. They don't use it as scape goat they are religious fanatics meaning they take the religion for what it is. Islam has always been religion of war look at what they have done after Spaniards had to save western Europe from their North African hordes how hard and how long it took to kick them off European soil and then to see the enemy back on is unbareble for me.

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#39012 - 03/15/04 11:47 PM Re: MULTIPLE TRAINS BOMBED IN MADRID
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Last time I checked, religion wasn't race-specific. I know white Muslims, Buddhists (Richard Gere?), Christians, Jews, Hindus, Wiccans, AND Naturalists. You try to ban religion in Spain, which is what you are basically calling for, you are denying freedoms to the Spanish people.

....and Islam isn't to blame for the 3/11 attacks anymore than Christianity is to blame for the morons that were involved with the Crusades. ANY religion can be perverted.
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-- President John F. Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
-- President John F. Kennedy

Democrats, why the change?

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#39013 - 03/15/04 11:52 PM Re: MULTIPLE TRAINS BOMBED IN MADRID
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Its logical that some Spaniards may want to convert to Islam but I find it hard that a Chatholic sactioned country like is going to start converting to Islam. If a Spaniard were to convert to Islam thats fine. But those people from North Africa are not welcomed by me.

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#39014 - 03/15/04 11:58 PM Re: MULTIPLE TRAINS BOMBED IN MADRID
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You live in Southern California. Why not let the Spaniards say who they want in their country.
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"Neither the United States of America nor the world community of nations can tolerate deliberate deception and offensive threats on the part of any nation, large or small. We no longer live in a world where only the actual firing of weapons represents a sufficient challenge to a nation's security"
-- President John F. Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
-- President John F. Kennedy

Democrats, why the change?

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#39015 - 03/16/04 12:00 AM Re: MULTIPLE TRAINS BOMBED IN MADRID
Quintos233 Offline
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Most Spaniards would agree with me I believe except for the Ultra liberal and PP voting people me personally id vote Democracia Nacional or Falange.

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#39016 - 03/16/04 12:07 AM Re: MULTIPLE TRAINS BOMBED IN MADRID
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Registered: 03/12/04
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Most Spaniards already voted against you Quintos. "I" disagree with their pick and think they made a grave mistake, but "I" am in the States. It's their country. It's up to them to run it. I just hope it doesn't come back to haunt them as I don't like to see ANY innocent blood spilled. 'Course, I can now see Al Queda using them as a ploy, not attack them again, and make the world think that if you don't support the US, you won't be attacked. "Divide and Conquer" comes to mind. I pray Spain doesn't take the "France" approach. I've already stated my feelings on France. I would dodge a draft before I would defend France....of course, I can't be drafted. Served my 8 years already. Combat duty in Somalia as well.
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"Neither the United States of America nor the world community of nations can tolerate deliberate deception and offensive threats on the part of any nation, large or small. We no longer live in a world where only the actual firing of weapons represents a sufficient challenge to a nation's security"
-- President John F. Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
-- President John F. Kennedy

Democrats, why the change?

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#39017 - 03/16/04 01:43 AM Re: MULTIPLE TRAINS BOMBED IN MADRID
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Get this! I just received an email message from KingWorld's Inside Edition ("News" TV show in the USA). They're asking if I knew the names of any of the 'Americans' injured in the bombings. I hadn't heard there were any 'Americans' injured. Can anyone confirm this?

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#39018 - 03/16/04 03:43 AM Re: MULTIPLE TRAINS BOMBED IN MADRID
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After posting on Friday, I decided not to post over the weekend out of respect for the victims last Thursday and in truth I didn’t want to get into a political argument with Quintos or anyone else when I believed time was better spent talking with friends, reassuring relatives and quietly reflecting on the world in general. However, now I have looked back over the arguments that have raged over the past four days and I can only shake my head in disbelief.

Please stop referring to the people who carried out these actions as Muslims, radical or not. This has nothing to do with Islam. I lived for many years in London whilst terrorist organisations such as the IRA indiscriminately bombed, killed and assassinated. These killers on more than one occasion, kidnapped a family, handcuffed the father to the steering wheel of a car, loaded with a bomb, and told him that if he didn’t drive it into a specific location the would kill his family. They bombed remembrance services (see news reports on Enniskillen), they phoned in bomb warnings only to detonate a device at a location just far enough away from where their warning specified to catch people who were being evacuated to a supposedly safe location by the police. Would you describe these terrorists as Christians? How about radical Christians?

Over the last couple of years there have been a number of bombings, amongst other actions perpetrated against scientists working in the medical field by an organisation call the ALF (Animal Liberation Front). Are these the actions of animal lovers? Or radical animal lovers?

In the USA, doctors have been shot and blown up by supposed pro-Life groups. Christians? Radical Christians?

No, of course not. All these actions have been carried out by indiscriminate killers, monsters. No religion, permits, condones or sanctions this behaviour. These killers are cowards, who like to be portrayed as soldiers, although they have neither the courage or honour to face their supposed enemy, they do not attack those who can defend themselves. They have not even the courage to look the person in the eye whose life they plan to take.

From the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3514590.stm

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