Quintos, STARTING to have immigrants from Latin America?! Where have YOU been?! I also think this is a whole new thread, but...

As far as the Peruvian immigrants being the ones that seem to most want to actually make something of themselves, I don't know but:

Let's hear it for the Columbian and Equitorian mafias that are starting shootings and helping raise crime to a whole new level!

Let's not forget that there are some AFRICANS who also own their own business in Madrid. They run hair shops and are doing quite well for themselves. Not all Africans sell drugs in Madrid.

Just a mention of this so that Africans aren;t stereotyped.

Shawn

Since the previous post mentioned it, Spaniards tend to categorize people from the continent of Africa into North African or Magrebi, and sub-Saharan. The general prejudice being that the N. African are the troublesome ones. Those from what is considered black Africa are generally seen as quite inofffesive. Most day to day dealings with them involve buying pirate CDs in the street. Of course all Africans do all sorts of things, but these I find are most people's general impressions. They are not mine of course.

Lets not even start on the Latinos (Lat Ams, Latin americans)in Spain. For that matter, African, former soviet block either. There is no nice way to say this but, Ya Basta! I respect any and all who work for the betterment of the community and who are willing to intergrate and adopt the local ways. But I have seen MANY of the above listing who are nothing but parasites and leaches. There I said it!

Electracity, let this be a message to those who still believe in Socialism. The government of socialist states teach people to be leeches and parasites. If it wasn't for the small, evaporating pockets of capitalism in this world, things would be much worse around the world.
Canada should take heed.

Electracity, I agree with what you have to say. There are people of all races and cultures who work to better their environment and some who just WON'T. That's the way of the world.

Shawn

"Canada should take heed"
Gazpacho, please explain. I wasn't aware I lived in a commie country. Do all of you Americans equate the word 'socialism' with 'communism'? Are you really that ignorant of the country north of you. This is all getting so tiring.

Dargus,

Don't indict all of us for one person's opinion. That's kind of unfair, don't you think?

Wolf (Who also doesn't believe the McKenzie Brothers represent all Canadians either - )

Wolf,
I agree with you and apologize as I was responding to a post implicating ALL Canadians (I guess it works both ways - one person implying we ALL represent one's opinion) in the same light as illegal (or legal?) immigrants who chose to diss and destroy the values of the society that is supposed to assist them in starting a better life. We have the same problem here as does every freedom-loving nation on earth and it is a big problem. It's just that this statement:

"The government of socialist states teach people to be leeches and parasites. If it wasn't for the small, evaporating pockets of capitalism in this world, things would be much worse around the world.
Canada should take heed"

Implies that I, as a Canadian am a leech and parasite. And ALL of my fellow hardworking democracy-loving fellow Canadians. Yes we need to build up our military substantially. Most of us are furious about the status quo. And we are CAPITALIST! The context of his message implies we are not (grrrr!). Thus my asking of his knowledge of Canada (it does seem to lack, though).
It astounds me that Gazpacho's post is tied into the previous posts pertaining to certain immigrants being thieves and parasites of society. Our Prime Minister is a bozo. Many of us up here agree. We have an election in early 2004 and I hope we can vote the man out. I don't always agree with President Bush either and I don't have to if I don't agree with it but that is the beauty of democracy. But to categorize us as being leeches and parasites is offensive. How many Americans take Pat Buchanan seriously?

Please be aware that I attended the funeral parade for our four fine military men who died in the unfortunate, forgivable friendly fire incident in Afghanistan where both Canadian AND American flags were being waved. I live in the city where the largest number of oil refineries in Canada sit. We are a target up here. Half the city could go up in smoke if we do not fight against terroism. I guarantee you that if the UN resolution is passed to attack Iraq our men will be helping out the best we can as we did in Afghanistan. My city is where most of our military is based out of so I have deep ties to it.
My response was emotional and these are emotional times in the world today but one must remain as rational as possible to ensure the tough decisions today are the correct ones. I am not one who likes to argue (especially with a guy like you Wolf...your reason is to be admired) but some comments just $@!& me off.

BTW Canada's great national pasttime, the Grey Cup (our pro football championship) is being held in my city, Edmonton, this weekend and this is where the sleepy Canadian patriotism really comes alive as people from all over our vast nation gather and party and have a great time.

So cheers to all!

Dargus,

I didn't take offense. I understand totally how emotions sometime run. I have no idea how Canada was thrown into the issue of pick-pockets in Madrid.

I'm an old Saskatchewan Rough Riders fan from way back. The days of Ron Lancaster and the battles with the Eskimoes. I saw the '67 Grey Cup game. It was fantastic!

Wolf (Enjoy the game. Should be a good one.)