Pim,
I did also say 'all those quietly successful people in their own right, my and you type of people'.
Maybe it's hard to distinguish a normal working gitano because they look like a 'payo' and don't wear bells, ribbons and an ostentatious amount of gold jewelrey.
Should gitanos have 'GITANO' stamped on their foreheads so that you can know they are gitanos?
(answer not needed, thankyou).
Shawn and Fernando, is it necessary that a Spaniard who is as Spanish as Fernando should say he/she is a Gitano, just in case heaven forbid you might mistake them for a payo!
The reason i did mention those famous Gitanos is because I'm sick of hearing only the worst and I thought it would be nice to bring to light that there are, and probably in the majority, gitanos that blend into society and get on in life and succeed!