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#93181 - 06/03/14 04:02 AM The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI
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lots of talk all over and here why not too. Please no politics.

As an older statement in this group, I tend to say that I lived the previous dictatorship and backward economics of Spain live on site.
The coming of the King Juan Carlos I (cousin of Queen Elizabeth II of UK, nephew of emperor Frederick of Germany, great great grand son of Queen Victoria of UK, and fifth in line to the throne of France as a Bourbon) was the best that ever happened to a disunited troublesome Spain in those days. The King save Spain, the democracy and freedom of all regions.

Now he has decided to abdicate, its time, 39 years + is a lot, frail health and a family not to supportive of his ideals; that he was a bit womanizer well he is a man too,and that is private discussions. The son Felipe Prince of Asturias (because only kingdom not fallen to berbers moors remaining Catholic under the virgen of Covadonga of Asturias and Spain) has been train groom for the job, he is prepare and aware of the difficult times (althought better unemployment again improve in May by 200K posts), he will do well.

He is Felipe VI because the last Felipe was V, great great and many grandson of king Louis XIV of France bourbon,and the V was born in Versailles at the palace baptised in my old district church Notre Dame. And the V built La Granja near Segovia a miniature Versailles to remind him of his lovely birthplace.

I fought on the streets of Madrid and messages to Bilbao,Valencia, Barcelona ,and Granada as a young boy to help this democracy. LET'S KEEP IT AS IS;IT WORKS.

Cheers and long live the King,and Spain all of it.


Edited by pedmar (06/03/14 04:06 AM)
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#93182 - 06/03/14 06:19 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: pedmar]
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Looking further into the future, I suppose the eldest daughter of Felipe will inherit the throne after her father. What if Felipe and Letizia have another child and it is a boy? What about the older sisters? (Elena and Cristina) Were they ever in line or since there was a male, it had to be him? I know there are other troubles associated with one of their husbands, but I'm strictly asking about the line of the throne and how it goes.

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#93184 - 06/03/14 07:57 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: teachertraveler8]
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First after Felipe becomes Felipe VI Cristina will not be in the royal family anymore nor Elena. as they will be be sisters of the king not daughters. of course they will keep their titles and salary. But no inmunity as Cristina has now.

The law of old stated an older boy will be become king, but Juan Carlos was sure to change it so that a woman could be. Now Felipe VI will have a son no problems.He has two daughters the law was change for that in mind. just like in UK.
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#93185 - 06/03/14 05:03 PM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: pedmar]
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Pedmar, I am in complete agreement. In many, many, many ways Spain is a democracy because of Juan Carlos. What he did; how he did it - and the fact that once things 'settled down' he transitioned the monarchy into the role of peacemaker and statesman. (Quite similar to the monarchy in England). Felipe VI will (IMO) combine the best of Juan Carlos and of himself; I think he will be the embodiment of a truly great king.

I would dearly love to sit with you one day, drink rioja and hear your stories of Spain during the Franco reign - "I fought on the streets of Madrid and messages to Bilbao,Valencia, Barcelona ,and Granada as a young boy to help this democracy."

My heartfelt agreement with "LET'S KEEP IT AS IS. IT WORKS."
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#93189 - 06/04/14 02:06 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: Puna]
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The year 1975 they didn't ask to people if monarchy or republic.
Why not now? It is not difficult and if The monarchy is so wonderful, this country will be a monarchy.
Personally I prefer Felipe as king to Mariano as President.


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#93191 - 06/04/14 03:46 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: jazz]
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In 1975 you had the king or Calero and others to continue like Franco so you got a much better deal Jazz. Believe, I was there when you could not even speak, groups of five, were dispersed by the guardia civil, and people were thrown in jail just for speakinng about "ASK THE PEOPLE";

You are lucky. Just like now where I am we are celebrating 70th anniversary of Normandy invasion, these people here are lucky and they will show it.

The King save Spain of another 40 years of dictatorship and misery, where you had hunger, no phones in homes, only one tv ,no roads and all controlled by El Caudillo. Be glad the King change all that with Adolfo Suarez.

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#93192 - 06/04/14 03:49 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: Puna]
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Puna sometimes these things are not easy to speak, as a young boy of 12-14 i saw a lot of suffering, and people hiding, women giving birth at home because if in hospital they will make their men in resistance come out. terrible things dictatorship are known for.

but yes one day we will meet and can tell a bit.
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#93193 - 06/04/14 05:34 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: pedmar]
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#93194 - 06/04/14 11:02 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: jazz]
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Jazz I lived in Madrid from 1970-1974; i was 14 when I left with my mother to join my father who had escape another dictatorship earlier of the left.

I was in cell 27 Madrid code name kinder (as in kindergarten) and our group leader was isidoro (Felipe Gonzalez). I was doing delivery of boxes, sometimes explosives, and messages to various groups. As a boy, I could pass easier.

by vista alegre, I went with some Spanish friends to see a game of basket of Real Madrid vs Estudiantes and told them see the wall at the back of the arena, they used to shot people there, I saw it.

These are the things many don't tell, and we must, because the younger generation movida style forgets very easy. And history can be repeated, the bad always is lurking, the good always has to be ready.

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#93195 - 06/04/14 11:04 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: pedmar]
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sorry for the impulse, but these times makes me think.

The monarchy held Spain, and democracy flourish so now they all tell names of each other without fear.
long live the King and best wishes for Felipe VI.
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#93197 - 06/04/14 01:22 PM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: pedmar]
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Wow!Pedmar an history very interesting. By the way the socialist Felipe Gonzalez "Isidoro" a management consultant of international company today...


Edited by jazz (06/04/14 01:26 PM)

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#93198 - 06/04/14 05:25 PM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: jazz]
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It must have been a very intense time right after Franco died, with everyone wondering what would happen? What way would the country go? I must confess, that although I was in university at the time, the USA had it's own troubles then and I was not very aware of what was going on in Spain

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#93203 - 06/05/14 02:05 PM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: jazz]
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#93204 - 06/05/14 03:28 PM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: pedmar]
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I'm hallucinating with you.

Cheers thumbsup

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#93205 - 06/05/14 03:29 PM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: pedmar]
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GREAT thread! Thanks to all of you for contributing and sharing memories - no matter how young you were.
Applause and more applause.
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#93290 - 06/20/14 06:19 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: Puna]
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Well, we've a new king Felipe VI but.... Who he is???



Elhuffington post

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#93293 - 06/21/14 01:51 PM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: jazz]
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Hmmm! _ I ave mixed feelings about Juan Carlos! I don't quite understand how he was chosen thengroomed by Franco to replace him!
Furthermore from what I have read/heard, the coup was staged to give the king an opportunity to establish credibility in the hearts of the Spanish people............
The queen is a saint to have put up w/him and his affairs for so many years!

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#93297 - 06/21/14 04:38 PM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: Crisco]
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really a stage coup, you must be watching too many Hollywood movies lol!

be glad you can come to Spain and speak like that ,during the previous govt you won't be allowed to speak like this. They would whip you with bats, the guardia civil.
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#93298 - 06/21/14 07:45 PM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: pedmar]
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I lived in Spain from 1968-70 so am very familiar how life was then.
I have talked to many Spaniards and know of the many atrocitiess committed during and after the civil war. Families are today trying to get compensation for lost family members.Mass graves are still being found.
This horror does not go away but explain to me how Franco chose to bring back the monarchy and what deal was made for Juan Carlos to accept the deal and live in Spain while Franco was "educating" him?
How did the Spanish feel when they saw this unfolding?
Juan Carlos is an old goat and finally was put out to pasture.
How do explain the on going corruption that even involved the kind's daughter and son in law? Now the king is going to get immunity.....This blatent corruption has finally led to the dreadful economic situation in Spain today?

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#93300 - 06/22/14 06:33 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: Crisco]
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well Crisco if you read above the thread you may know my story. I did not hear from Spaniards I was one of them. I know the whole story ; been part of the underground cell 27 of Madrid.

I participated not just read or hear from someone. The stories can be cloudy hearing it from others.

the daughter the cousin the wife, the economy (you know he is not government but a King just like the UK) has nothing to do with the politics and constitution he gave Spain so you may speak like this. Be respetful of the rights you were given now in Spain, it is all due to him our King.

The vast majority of Spaniards approve it, they approve a monarchial parliamentary constitution in a democracy and the new king was approved by 89% of the Cortes coming from a cross section of the country. That is democracy that this old king gave Spain.

Enjoy it
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#93302 - 06/22/14 09:18 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: pedmar]
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We'll just have to wait and see.....to be continued....!

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#93303 - 06/22/14 10:20 PM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: Crisco]
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Did King Juan Carlos deceive Franco to believe he would continue the fascism? I admire the King and don't believe all the negative theories about the Queen looking the other way. The new King is going to be a fine leader of the Royal Family. Some people will be against the Monarchy no matter what. I'm glad people who were there and also risked their lives are still standing up and defending King Juan Carlos.

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#93304 - 06/23/14 06:03 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: chivasusa]
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" I'm glad people who were there and also risked their lives are still standing up and defending King Juan Carlos."

Thank you on all of their behalf chivasusa. the living and the dead.
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#93306 - 06/23/14 09:27 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: pedmar]
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As am I,Chivasua. According to everything I've ever read, from political treatises to history, yes. King Juan Carlos deceived Franco into believing he would continue Fascism.


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#93307 - 06/23/14 01:25 PM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: Puna]
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As I said, to be continued!
Queen Sofia is visiting her daughter Cristina in Geneva-that case should be coming up soon!

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#93308 - 06/23/14 02:56 PM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: Puna]
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its the only way it would work...
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#93309 - 06/23/14 02:58 PM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: Crisco]
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and I glad Cristina gets a fair trial thanks to her father the King in Spain today. If she is found guilty she will deal with the law of the constitution of Spain and pay.

The same law her father defended and upheld. that is democracy.

and if she is not, she will walk away with the law as innocent until proven guilty. That is democracy too.
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#93394 - 07/23/14 10:52 AM Re: The King is gone, now comes the son Felipe VI [Re: pedmar]
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This brings me back to some time. I remember missing school due to 23F, as a kid, I didn't quite get it back then.

King Felipe VI is just a couple years older than I am and I remember him as a little kid, then a teenager, up to adulthood and now in his "middle age", just as I aged too... he's just a bit more known and successful than I am but this is not about me, right? Oh, and way taller too! Ladies! I'm still available wink


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