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#84500 - 05/28/09 04:20 PM Why so down on Las Ramblas?
Rodolfo Offline
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Why so down on Las Ramblas?

For the last couple of years I've been reading more and more message boards proclaiming the dangers of Las Ramblas and the bordering areas such as the Gothic, Ravel and of course the lower end by the port. It almost seems the concerns have become hysterical. While I haven't been in about 4 years, I don't remember such panic about it. I've been twice. Both times I stayed on Las Ramblas at The Citadines for a total of about 10 days. I remember it as being no more dangerous than any other big city with a large concentration of tourist. I think maybe people expect their holiday to be like a visit to Disneyland.

Here is an article from The Guardian and an expat blog.

Safe travels
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/24/barcelona-crime-las-ramblas

http://www.expatica.com/es/lifestyle_lei...3.html?ppager=0
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#84504 - 05/29/09 05:23 AM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: Rodolfo]
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I agree , Rodolfo . I´ve been to Barcelona many times and never had a problem . The trick is not to look like a tourist . Try and fit in . Sure the pickpockets are all around Las Ramblas , but they´ll be looking for the obvious tourists . Same in London , New York , Moscow , Madrid etc...

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#84507 - 05/29/09 10:34 AM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: steve robinson]
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When I was in Barcelona this past December, we didn't have any trouble, just be aware of your surroundings....I loved it....

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#84509 - 05/29/09 02:38 PM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: steve robinson]
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Originally Posted By steve robinson
The trick is not to look like a tourist .


Easy for you to not look like a tourist laugh

I think for the rest of us, trick is to stay alert. I feel bad for those who are hassled by pickpockets etc but it shouldn't keep anyone from visting.

Hope you're doing well mate.
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#84510 - 05/29/09 05:51 PM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: Rodolfo]
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I am doing well Rudy .... And you´re right .

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#84522 - 05/31/09 12:11 PM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: steve robinson]
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I tend to think of Las Ramblas in Barcelona the same as I do the Puerta del Sol in Madrid. Sure, things happen at all times of the day but the odds are very low that anything will happen to you.

The logical thing to do is "sing" when things go wrong. But you rarely hear from the masses when things go right. So the "bad" things usually outweigh the good things on the internet.

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#84585 - 06/11/09 10:06 AM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: MadridMan]
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Before I visited Barcelona years ago, I did my research and came across a website that listed almost weekly the crime that takes place on Ramblas. I posted something MM after I came back about how safe I felt on Las Ramblas and I visited it almost daily for over a week.

I have to disagree with not looking like a tourist because I will standout in a crowd. I am busy shooting photographs, will tell people how to pose or polity ask them move if they are in my photograph. So everyone will hear my New York City accent. I give up trying not to look like a tourist because I act as one but I was "always" aware of surrounding.

But still after all these years and traveling to other destinations, I have never seen so many stupid tourists in one area like my everyday visits to the Las Ramblas. Tourists doing stupid things that leave themselves open to the possibly they will be a victim of a crime. Some tourists would still play Three Card Monty, come on everyone know it is a scam and there is no excuse to become a victim of this street hustle.

I think if I had to give a lesson to a novice tourist, I would take them to the Las Ramblas and let them watch other tourists so they would know what not to do.

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#84588 - 06/11/09 01:02 PM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: Bill from NYC]
Rodolfo Offline
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from Bill from NYC

I think if I had to give a lesson to a novice tourist, I would take them to the Las Ramblas and let them watch other tourists so they would know what not to do.

Bill


That's the smartest thing I've ever heard on the subject. If only it was possible.


Edited by MadridMan (06/11/09 01:44 PM)
Edit Reason: correcting syntax error
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#84836 - 07/12/09 09:59 PM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: Rodolfo]
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There's a difference between crime and the perception of crime. The seedy atmosphere on many areas of the Ramblas and the streets leading off it makes people feel less safe than when walking among the designer boutiques on the wide boulevards of the Eixample...even when nothing happens.

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#84837 - 07/12/09 10:34 PM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: Donna Cuervo]
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Very good point, dmc123. For example, so many times I've been called-to by prostitutes as I'm passing by. But just having prostitutes on XYZ Street (even on Las Ramblas) doesn't make it unsafe. Seedy, yes.

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#86160 - 12/31/09 08:20 AM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: MadridMan]
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I was in Barcelona last January. I found the Ramblas to be fine to walk down during the day. At night though, I have to admit I sometimes felt a little uncomfortable because of the prostitutes. I had no problem with them being there but I did not like being followed by them. Some of them even tried to grab my arm and got in my face a bit, which I frankly found intrusive and agressive. It's shame because I think it is a lovely walk but it is a top tourist zone and those areas attract all kinds of people.

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#86166 - 12/31/09 08:32 AM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: Bricamb]
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yep las Ramblas are getting bad for a while now, even for the locals who are beginning to complaint there according to friends who live.
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#86179 - 01/01/10 11:42 AM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: pedmar]
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I read an article in one of the English language free mags while we were out there last October. The Gist of it was that local Spanish Prostitutes are ok and not over pushy. So have always been tolerated. Now though many of the girls are non Spanish, these are the ones causing problems
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#86182 - 01/01/10 01:05 PM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: Jan D]
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You´re right JanD ! The prostitutes are mainly non-Spanish . The majority from East Europe or Africa : I hear Romanian and Polish being spoken all the time in Calle Montera (in Madrid). But they´re not THAT pushy .. just doing their job (whether you agree with it or not). Even in my "community" the chaperos (hustlers) are from Latin America or places like the Czech Republic or Russia . I've been approached many times but a friendly smile and a "no" always works ! They know the deal .


Edited by MadridMan (01/01/10 01:29 PM)
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#86186 - 01/01/10 04:26 PM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: steve robinson]
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Have you seen the movie "Princesas"? It is about two prostitutes in Spain, one is Spanish and the other is South American. I started watching it, but didn't finish. The part I saw was interesting. Has anyone else seen it? Should I get it and finish it?

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#86188 - 01/02/10 04:02 AM Re: Why so down on Las Ramblas? [Re: teachertraveler8]
steve robinson Offline
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I haven´t seen that film , teachertraveler8 ... I´ll look out for it !
Just a follow on to the question as to whether the prostitutes or hustlers can be pushy ...You will find that they can very in you face if you go to Casa del Campo ... A place you´d be well advised to stay away from at night especially .
Even up by the zoo ( which is great ! ) The women stand by the road or in amongst the trees , some almost completely naked . Not really something you want the kids seeing . The police regularly patrol the area but I´ve never seen them pick up any of the girls .
The chaperos , or hustlers will often follow you into the hills as has happened to me on two occasions . I have no worries about what they´re doing as such , but it´s very unnerving being followed when there´s almost nobody else around . If you stop and turn around , then that´s their signal to approach ( so i´m told ! )
At night Casa del Campo is a popular cruising area for the gay community ... and very very shady !

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