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#63005 - 11/08/02 08:37 AM 17,900 to 187, Wow!
Wolf Offline
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It's obvious Gibraltarians don't want to see the Rock become part of Spain. That's kind of a lopsided vote if you ask me. I guess that will end Jack Straw's idea of a transition to dual control for a while.

Whether or not this "unimportant vote" will have an effect on the future of the Rock, it sure must be making waves in UK political circles. It makes me wonder how the people in the UK itself would vote, in regards to this issue. I also wonder if Spaniards would really vote overwhelmingly, to take Gibraltar back.

This issue does link itself to Basque seperatism and the fate of the two Spanish cities in Morocco. Not necessarily directly, but indirectly, since each of the three is a question that begs answering over sovereignty. Whenever one of these issues comes up, the other two are bound to follow suit, as soon as possible. These questions may not be answered in any of our lifetimes. About the time we figure we have the answer to one of the issues - we don't.

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#63006 - 11/08/02 09:42 AM Re: 17,900 to 187, Wow!
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Still, their views are changing, Wolf, because last time they had this referendum in 1967 only 44 people voted yes! laugh
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#63007 - 11/08/02 10:24 AM Re: 17,900 to 187, Wow!
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Wolf, I hardly thing that the Basque question is an appropriate comparison. That is another issue entirely, spaniards wanting to debilitate their region and seperate themselves (and as always, its that noisy minority!-only under threat do they overwhelmingly vote for it!)

On the other hand, the Ceuta and Melilla... well, they are holdings spain has in another country. A WHOLE different ball game, but yes, more directly correlated with Gibraltar!

But are we really going to rehash the whole basque region issue!?
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#63008 - 11/08/02 10:36 AM Re: 17,900 to 187, Wow!
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If I was gibraltarian I would also have voted yes laugh

If not for the tax paradise I would have done it for the tobacco contraband or perhaps the thousands of companies which are registrated there to evade taxes from Spain or EU. But never mind, I'm not gibraltarian at all.

¡Gibraltar español!

Fernando

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#63009 - 11/08/02 10:39 AM Re: 17,900 to 187, Wow!
Wolf Offline
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Espe,

Aren't you stretching it a bit? I never said anything about the Basque issue, and never said the issue was the same, or wasn't the same. I simply stated that the issues in Morocco and Basque Country would continue to crop up whenever the issue of Gibraltar comes up. If you can't see that it will, too bad. It will happen.

Geez! Read what I said. :o Don't read in what you want to read for the sake of arguing.

Wolf

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#63010 - 11/08/02 12:54 PM Re: 17,900 to 187, Wow!
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Registered: 09/25/00
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Did the monkeys get to vote as well? That might have raised the total.

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#63011 - 11/09/02 09:05 PM Re: 17,900 to 187, Wow!
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Registered: 12/02/00
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Quote:
¡Gibraltar español!
je je You and what army? rolleyes

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#63012 - 11/09/02 09:21 PM Re: 17,900 to 187, Wow!
Fernando Offline
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Loc: Madrid, Spain
Myself alone toddy wink

I think Gibraltar should end to be either a shared town or totally spanish, and that it should be granted big autonomy, but it lacks of any sense nowadays if they want to be european soil. Negotiation is the only way to achieve that, but I really don't mind if it becomes spanish tomorrow or in the next 50 years, the later they find an agreement the worse for them (gibraltarians).

Fernando

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#63013 - 11/09/02 10:39 PM Re: 17,900 to 187, Wow!
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Registered: 05/13/02
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Wolf,
No I don't think I'm stretching it a bit, Yes I did read what you said.. maybe you should go back and re-read it. You were the one who said that the issues were linked... and that when one cropped up, the other 2 would follow suit.

And sorry, but no, I'm not trying to be the devil's advocate or argue for the sake of arguing. I think my reply was valid and pertinant to your posting. I try to be careful and answer accordingly, which is why many times I re-read a posting before I respond. I acknowledge your response and respect it, however I don't agree with it.
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#63014 - 11/09/02 11:42 PM Re: 17,900 to 187, Wow!
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Registered: 10/23/02
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Loc: Southern California
If you want to be British why cant u go live in Britain instead of in other countries that dont belong to u.????????

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