Toddy, I think the problem here is that you don't know what you are talking about...

On the NAFTA matter: these kind of agreements have first to be publicly dicussed, and I have heard nothing of it yet. Spain would never leave EU in an easy way, the social and political turmoil would be impressive.

As for anti-americanism: Do not confuse with anti-toddyism please... that's kind of egocentric.

As for Franco: It seems that you have some kind of admiration for him since you repeat once and again his name (considering the fact that he died 27 years ago, in which the spanish society has evolved much more than any other european one). Did you have someone on your family killed by him? imprisoned by him? prosecuted by him? I have. Shut your mouth and try to be more sensitive.

Fernando

"On the NAFTA matter: these kind of agreements have first to be publicly dicussed"

Sorry, but in the real world, political deals are made behind closed doors and then brought to the public.

Fernando, I have pointed out many things you have written that are wrong. Is it that hard to admit that you are wrong without trying to ridicule me? Let go of some of that Spanish pride and start speaking the truth.

toddy - you ask for people to - perhaps it is time that you listen to what a number of intelligent, rational, knowledgable, and senstitive people have been saying to you innumerable times - stop the nastiness and pendantic statements!. In case you haven't noticed - the members of this board have respect for each other and the individuals' opinion - perhaps you, too, as a board member could start developing this tactic.

Topic of Discussion: Morocco invades the Perejil's Island

Ok toddy, let's bury the hatchet. I've tried to explain and argue in every topic discused, sometimes ironicly, sometimes not.

In the Morocco conflict I think that I have pointed enough arguments to refute your statements, as well as in the NAFTA matter (while desirable, it is not probable that it may occur).

I want to stop the irony and sarcasm. I'm not going to blame you of it (following your advise of keeping away my Quixote spanish pride, a compliment for me...). I just want to say that I feel like if you wanted me to blame USA for all the problems that asolate the world, which I have never done, nor I'm going to do. If you still don't have it clear: I like the USA, with its good and bad things, and I feel that overall its role on international matters is good.

Let's continue to discuss whatever you, or any other member of this incredible message board wants, in a civilized matter (as almost always we have done).

Fernando

MadridMan: I just got this e-mail addressed from perejilforum@madridman.com. It reads:

:p

More than true CaliBasco... we have not been discusing nothing about Perejil since lots of posts above

When I started this thread (just to inform about the conflict from my point of view) I didn't know it was going to be that "hot"...

It is probably time to close it... let's see if I can as the creator of it.

Fernando

I can't...

It's a funny thing about threads - the more you pull on them, the more the material unravels. Eventually a button, or a sleeve falls off.. We've already pulled enough loose ends on this one to make that piece of rock disappear like Atlantis, into the sea.

Anyway, it don't look like parsley to me. It looks like something seagulls use for bombing runs.

'Nuff said!

Wolf (Visualizing seagulls "strafing" the Moroccan police who were on the island - )

Well.... I wouldn't do it for just anybody but those with 1000+ postings get certain priveleges. hehehe..

Yeah... this thread has totally unravelled. Let's start a new topic on ETA, shall we?? (NOT!)