As Fernando said, it's about families. I have a particular interest in that Corte Ingés bombing: my daughter and niece (both 15 years old) were in that building that day. Fortunately, they left around 30 minutes before the bomb was detonated.
Warning or not, had they been killed, would I have received any condolences by those who placed the bomb? Or would the death of these two girls have been considered as a regretable but necessary casualty of war?
It's ALWAYS about families, in EVERY aremd conflict, be it a war, guerrilla figtings ot terrorist bombings innocent people die. There were regretable casualties of war in Irak and in Jugoslavia, and everywhere.
The difference is that ETA takes more risks, to reduce the innocent casualties to the minimum, not like the USA or any other terrorist organization, guerrilla or army. Will the americans give condolences for their 100.000+ killings of mostly innocents in Irak, plus many times this amount injured or handicapped, and millions of unemployed by the bombings, with it's families suffering hunger?
It's amazingly hypocritical that terrorist governments that massacre, denounce terrorist bands methods. Maybe they don't want competitors? Would be laughable if it wasn't cryable. What moral authority do you (or any) have to criticise that if they have supported Bush after their slaughter, for example?
I think my main problem with the terrorist organisation is this quote (provided by Ignacio, but representative I believe of supporters of ETA)
Representative of anybody who knows the reality of the conflict. There is a reason to fight, wrong or not. And there was a goal: independence, that was lowered by ETA later in good-will, to self-determination. This means that they didn't demand inmediate independence, but a referendum for the basque on their future, and taking to practice the results. ETA won't surrender after fighting about 25 years, for peanuts, all the effort would have been lost and their lifes would have had no meaning, that's all.
This is not an unreasonable petition, but the Government feels usually strong to be too proud, and when they feel weak, they don't really have what to offer, for most of Spain is fundamentalist of the Unity of the State, and people would riot.
On what basis should a legal government negotiate with gangsters/killers? In the Basque Country there is an autonomous government, with more powers than most in the Spanish constitution. I'm given to understand there has NEVER been a majority vote for the political viewpoints shared by ETA, either for the Basque government or for the central government. I understand that at most 20% have voted for extreme parties there.
That "autonomous government" is nothing but a puppet. A proof is that, when the PP government and the Basque "Autonomous" government disagreed in about 30 million euros of the basque quota (extortion?), the PP GOvernment said they were going to reduce the power of that "government". It's just a local administrator of the occupation forces, a Vichy.
The basque parliament has ALWAYS been from 50 to 66% or more, composed by nationalist parties, although it's true that only about a 15% or 18% "admit" (don't condemn, given circumstances) ETA's methods.
DD:
From the way this is written it sounds like Ignacio is endorsing this sort of criminal activty. He compares the ETA to military operations. Military personell wear very distinct uniforms that even show their rank. Their leaders are known to one and all. Journalist and columnist are exercising thier rights to self expression under the law. The death penalty without due process is against the law.
I do not endorse any criminal activity. I am just showing you that it's as criminal as the others that are legal:
Tell about the death penalties and jurys to the dead by USA bombers or the Serbian tanks. It's all the same sh*t. The one who has the power and the guns uses it instead of negotiate and consult the people's wishes. What's bad about a referendum in the basque country and the independence if approved? Nothing, but the Government has the guns and because "spanish nationalist" regions are more and more populated, they have also the parliament power.So, how can we win independence, in case we want it?, I say that because I haven't make up my mind in case it came, and in case o be given the possibility to select, I don't know which side of the border I would stay.
That's for those who call me all but terrorist. I am not defending terrorism, not even independence.
What I am defending is that a nation like the basque should have the right to decide it's destiny legally and that I can not blame those who fight for it with guns since legally it's denied to us. You would still be a part of England if you hadn't rebelled.
I don't take pain medication except aspirines but for very exceptional cases. I don't like excesive medicines. Very funny your usual jokes, but no.
Thanks, Filbert.
Megia, Thanks equally. I know you don't mean "let him alone, don't intervene while we fight him dirty" That would be under your level.
Of course since I grew up with that I see it as something a loving father would say, so please don't be offended, Ignacio.
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