I'm going to Peru - who else has been?

Posted by: Chicagoan

I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 10/23/03 11:45 AM

Hi - I am going to Peru (Cusco & doing the 4-day hike to Machu Picchu) over Thanksgiving. I'm going by myself because my friends either don't have the time or don't want to go camping for that long. Madridman, I looked at your on-line photo album of the area. I noticed you went over New Years. Was it hot and rainy? Did you do the 4-day hike? Has anyone else done it? I'm going with one of those companies that takes a group of people down the trail. I need some adventure and I hope I meet nice people on the hike. It's my first TOTALLY solo vacation and I've never been to South America. If anyone has gone and has any comments or suggestions on the trail or Cusco, I'd love to hear them.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 10/23/03 07:18 PM

I am in Lima now, I have been to Machu Picchu. I´ll give you some tips as soon as I reach home next week. I have to leave real fast now. smile
Posted by: MadridMan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 10/24/03 05:49 AM

Hello Chicagoan!
I'm VERY happy to know you're planning a trip to Perú - AND I'm also VERY VERY happy to know that Ignacio is there now! I found a number of cybercafés in Cusco itself, by the way.

We didn't do any organized hikes, nor did we walk the Inca Trail, but rather took the train from Cusco to Aguas Calientes and then took the bus up to Machu Picchu. The only "hiking" we did do was climb the Huayana Picchu - the almond shaped mountain up against Machu Picchu which is in all the photos. The trail was super narrow and there is really absolutely NO trail rails or ropes EXCEPT when you go vertical a few times - like climbing a vertical ladder!!! eek It took about an hour to get to the top and there we found a small group of 20-somethings admiring the INCREDIBLE VIEW of tiny Machu Picchu below. There, we broke out the water and a can of Spanish olives we had towed along while admiring the view. What a view. We got terribly sunburned making this climb as our sunscreen dripped off along with our sweat and then peeled for days. heehee. You'd better be in excellent shape to make this climb and be sure BOTH hands are free.

While I've never been on an organized hike/tour as you're taking, I'd imagine that you'd make friends FAST on one of these. I'm sure you'd have a great time.

If you have any other questions about Perú, please ask. Those 2 weeks spent there were the MOST enlightening and fascinating of my life. Machu Picchu was on my "Life's To-Do List" and am SO happy I did that one as well as saw much of the rest of the country. Ask away!

Saludos, MadridMan
Posted by: Chicagoan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 10/24/03 11:30 AM

Great! I'm excited to go. I wouldn't say I'm a super-athlete but I'm in decent shape and I walk everywhere (when you have no car in the city you have to) so I'll probably be OK. Especially since I am hiring a porter to carry my stuff. A lot of people take that option. I've been reading a lot about Peru and the Incas. Is Cusco fairly safe? I'm going to stay near the main square I think.

Some sort of early mid-life crisis led me to buy the plane ticket. I was dumped in June and I want to change my career. I have no idea what to do with my life. Travel is the best medicine, I believe! I'm leaving on my 33rd birthday. I go away every Thanksgiving around my birthday but not solo. I think it will be a great trip. I'll try to post my pictures on the web when I return.
Posted by: MadridMan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 10/24/03 01:12 PM

Chicagoan, regarding Cusco's safety, I must admit that before arriving I was kind of paranoid just as many are before visiting Madrid after hearing all the WARNING postings on message boards about danger, pickpockets, and the like. I was ON GUARD the whole time while in Cusco because those stories. I have no doubt they have happened to someone but we didn't experience nor SEE any of this through our eyes. It might well be a different story, though, if you're alone and walking at night. Hopefully you'll meet up with some in your group and go out together. In daytime, I'd say we felt quite safe. My ladyfriend was LEADING the way through one of the smaller, quieter neighborhoods (as she OFTEN does - DESPITE my caution and hesitation) but we were fine. And besides, getting away from the tourist center can REALLY open your eyes - getting ONLY a glimpe - to how REAL Cusqueños live. By the way, there was a cut, little café/restaurant just across the square from the San Blas church where I had a delicious Alpaca steak - my ladyfriend didn't care for it though. We sat outside on their large terraza. On this we got to the church early before it opened and waited outside on the bench in the plaza. And before you know it, we were surrounded by about 8, energetic, obviously poor 8-10 year olds, all trying to sell us postcards or to shine our shoes or whatever. We didn't buy anything (this time) but we did chat with these kids (in Spanish of course) for about 15 minutes and I have to say that was one of the most valuable experience that you can have while on a trip such as this. We learned why they weren't in school (anymore) and what OTHER jobs they had in addition to shining shoes, etcetera. Most said they were "businessmen" because they had so many jobs and bartered so well. hehehee.. They were all cute and none of them attempted to pick out pockets or take advantage of us.

We stayed at the Hostal Loreto , located right NEXT to one of the churches and just off the Plaza de Armas - a little grocery store was on the next block over. The lower wall of this place has REAL inca-built stones from the walled street on which it is located. It's $40/night for a double or $25 for a single but we loved it for those 3 nights - upstairs - and a good breakfast was included. We met a WONDERFUL older Canadian couple while staying there and are still in contact today. Our travels where parallel from there to Arequipa to Puno/Lake Titikaka.

Really, I could talk about Perú for hours. Please ask more questions. hehehe.. wink

Saludos, MadridMan
Posted by: Chicagoan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 10/24/03 04:49 PM

I LOVE steak and that hotel looks really good. I'm going to write them - thanks. More questions - did you try the guinea pig? Is there a good bar that you remember in a safe area near the main square with live local music? (But I'm going to be very safe and cautious!!) Do you have to dress conservatively in the churches? (I like to peek in, not go to the actual mass) Is there any quick day tour that you recommend? I will be in Cusco for 2-3 days first to adjust to the altitude before the hike.

just had my hepatitis shots - ow.

thanks, Sara
Posted by: MadridMan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 10/25/03 12:18 PM

I too got the recommended Hepatitis shot (that DID hurt!) but my ladyfriend from Madrid thought my government-recommended-precautions were silly. rolleyes Still, I was glad to have it.

I liked the alpaca steak - slightly tough but cut thin and tasty. I do not recall trying the guinea pig though but did drink lots of Mate de Coca (tea made of the coca leaves - the same leaves that are processed into creating that nasty substance, Cocaine). My first 36 hours in Cusco, with its HIGH HIGH elevation, I was sick, nauseous, and with headache but they say the mate de coca tea helps and I suppose it did.

We spent New Year's Eve at a popular place (recommended by Frommers , among others) totally by chance. It's called "La Retama" and faces the inside of Cusco's large Plaza de Armas. It's on the second floor so try to get a table next to the window like we did. As you say you've already seen my ClubPhoto photo albums of Perú HERE , then you've also seen the photo of the traditional dancers/dances taken from the restaurant La Retama as well as the nighttime view through the window of the Plaza de Armas. . La Retama restuarant had a website but it seems to be closed now. The restaurant had a bar as well and it all looked quite nice and colorful.

The Frommers review:
Quote:
La Retama, Cusco (tel. 084/226-372): One of Cusco's most traditional longtime favorites, with good second-floor views of the Plaza de Armas, La Retama has nightly folklore shows and good traditional cooking. The restaurant is very popular with the gringo set.
A great and easy daytrip is visiting the Inca colony and precision-stacked stones of Sacsayhuaman . . This is located JUST outside the city but higher in elevation. Bus tours are easily found in Cusco.

We exclusively used The Lonely Planet\'s PERU guidebook and found it fantastic.

You can dress as you like in churches but without bare parts visible. I doubt they'd be happy to see belly-buttons or bare midrifts or short skirts or lots of cleavage.

Regarding Hostal Loreto , they were just right. I don't don't know if your single (unless you choose a double) room will be upstairs or not (doubt it) but those upstairs would be quieter and next to the breakfast solarium.

Any more questions? Saludos, MadridMan
Posted by: MadridMan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 10/28/03 12:19 PM

No more questions/comments about Perú? frown

Ignacio, I'm looking forward to hearing about your trip!

Saludos, MadridMan
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 10/28/03 01:15 PM

Hello, MM and others.

I am sorry to say I got pretty dissapointed with this trip. Mainly due to price discrimination towards tourists, outraging railway prices Cuzco-Machu Picchu (the only motorized way to reach it), extreme unsafety in Lima (my friends wouldn't let me walk more than 500 yards alone in most neighbourhoods), worse nightlife than expected (although not bad), ...

On the good side, few matters: Beautiful colonial Cuzco, impressing Machu Picchu, genuine helpful attitude of the Peruvian between themselves and towards tourists (unlike other countries where the expect some tip in exchage).

Now I am still dealing with my usual horrible jet-lags. I'll try to post something longer tomorrow. smile
Posted by: Chicagoan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 10/28/03 01:26 PM

Oh, I promise - there will be more!

Another cool thing that the company I am using (for the hike) offers is the opportunity to spend one night with a village family - they take you way, way out to a little village and you can spend the night with a family and eat dinner with them then go to a market with them the next morning before you are picked up. I decided not to do it this time because my spanish skills are not as high as I think they should be, plus I may not have time. (they do speak a mountain dialect but spanish is very helpful) I took an introductory spanish class last year (adult education!) and I may take another one this winter. But I thought that was cool. The family is paid for room and board. They give you lots of advice about how to act respectfully around the family, since it is kind of a unique situation. There is way, way more to do in South America than I previously thought.

When work calms down and the trip gets closer I'll post more questions. Thanks for all the help, Madridman!

Thanks Ignacio, I'll look forward to your post tomorrow. I may only be in Lima for the one afternoon at the end. I planned on flying to Cusco early in the morning after I arrive. I still need to contact Lan Peru. Is that what you used? That means about 5 or 6 hours in the Lima airport on my birthday but I just didn't want to go downtown for 3 hours sleep in a potentially shady city. I hope that Lima airport is reaaaally entertaining! I'm sure I will know every inch of it by the time I fly to Cusco.

Oh, and jet-lag? For once I won't have it! I've been to Europe 7 times, though. I know the feeling all too well.
Posted by: gsobotta

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 10/29/03 04:00 PM

I did the hike from Cuzco to Manchu Picchu nearly 15 years ago. I was 39 it was during my midlife crisis; I spent nearly 2 months in Peru and Bolivia. It was one of the most memorable experiences in my life. I completed the hike with a group from the University of Michigan Climbing Club. We used it to shakedown our group before we tackled climbing in the Cordillera Blanca. We made the hike in February, we did not have much rain, it is very rainy in Lima but at high altitude we had many clear days.

Give yourself time to adjust to the altitude. Drink plenty coca tea in Cuzco. Actually, I purchased coca leaves in an outdoor market and chewed them while hiking. An Indian gave the idea; apparently the Indians chew the leaves to help them adjust to the altitude. The trail is often through cloud rain forests, which are often overcast and you may experience a rain shower. It can still get cold at night too. The Inca trail is steep in places, and you do have some exposure, where it is narrow and the drop off is several thousand of feet down. The worn footholds on the rocky potions of the trail amazed me; they were so smooth. People have hiked the trail for thousand of years carrying their goods to market in Cuzco. There are ruins along the trail, they are about a days hike from one to the other. The ruins were forts used by the Inca military to protect the local population transporting their goods to market in Cuzco. My favorite was the “fortress above the clouds”. Keep your eyes open for condors, especially when hiking along the steep sections of the trail. You can see them soar on the thermals. Ask if you arrive at Manchu Picchu at daybreak, the view at the Sun Gate as the sunrise is spiritual experience

Another piece of advice, many trekkers bring candy to give the children along the trail, I didn’t. I bought with me cranyons and bubbles. I gave the children cranyons because many of children have never played with crayons. Often, I entertained them by blowing bubbles. Every morning I had several children waiting outside my tent waiting for me to wake up.

Have a great trip.
Posted by: Chicagoan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 10/29/03 07:42 PM

Thanks! That all sounds just awesome. And I think I will bring crayons, good idea. I've camped in Colorado up in the mountains and have done some 6-8 mile hikes in the high altitudes without problems so I hope I can handle it all OK. Our hike gets us up at 4 AM on the third day so we can get to and see Macchu Picchu at sunrise. I'm really getting excited!
Posted by: Rafael

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 10/31/03 05:12 PM

Hi Chicagoan. Now I have time to post.
I was born in Lima and live in California now.
well in the coast of Peru is spring now, but in the andes mountains is different, Cuzco is about 3,500 meters over the sea level. and there like all along the cities in the andes, during the day is hot and at night is cold, sometimes very cold. I've just watch news from Peru and from Cuzco and the guy who was talking was with a sweater and a jacket, it was 8 in the morning.
at the trail is different because it is at lower altitude and mostly tropical forest, hot and humid. at the trail you won't have problems of altitude, it will be a problem in Cuzco that is very high, what I sugest is as soon as you are in Cuzco stay in your room and take a rest don't go out and let your body adjust after some hours or the next day you will be able to run and jump.
I think you will be safe in Cuzco, it is a tourist city, go a take a look inside the churches so many decorations and paints. In the sixteen hundred the Spanish created art schools in LIma and Cuzco and you will see so many paints from peruvians from that time.
I've never try the Alpaca steak, it must be something new or mostly to the andes cities. but what is popular is the llama meat, that is called charqui. The guinea pig is good, but it is small, I tried it like dry meat.
and peruvians raise then in their houses to eat them. and I was amazed when I came to California and discovered that here they are pets.
if you have time to walk. there are ruings everywhere.
Peru is beautiful, the economy is booming, has one of the fastest growing economy in the world but unfortunately the common people still don't get that bonanza, that is why the president is so unpopular.
Rafael
Posted by: Chica

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 11/03/03 05:23 AM

Chicagoan...I, too, have tried guinea pig (although, not in Peru). I am a strong believer in trying the local cuisine when traveling abroad, so do give it a try. I tried it oven roasted....the flavor was really unremarkable... maybe it reminded me a bit of chicken. I just found all the small bones to be annoying! wink
Posted by: Miguelito

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 11/04/03 06:04 AM

Are you talking about 'cuy'?
I also eated it, and I liked it, although it wasn't too nice to see the whole animal cut by the middle with all the nails and the teeth ..
I don't know why I don't feel the same when they bring the sucking pigs here in Spain.
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 11/04/03 10:38 AM

Ok, here I go:

It's going to be a long post, that's why I had to have time enough.

Chicagoan:

Sorry for not posting when I promised, but I was a little ill and had a real mess home, plus the damm*d jet-lag.

Unlike Lima, Cuzco is fairly safe. You don't fear for your personal integrity in Cuzco unless you get in very very dark alleys. smile Your wallet is another matter, I had no problem but I took my precautions (my trousers belt can be filled with notes).

I walked downtown Cuzco at nigtht several times. Nothing happened and I felt safe.

Yes, there is swarm of shoe cleaners, and one of them, from whom, out of charity, I took his services, tried to charge me 10 soles (1 $=3.5 soles) although we had agreed (and the standard price was) 1 sol. He looked very pissed off when he saw his conversation didn't make me be more generous, and he refused my money until I menaced with leaving and he was a little nasty (he was about 8 ), but didn't try to pickpocket.

I have tried guinea pig several times (or hamster or cuy), it's a little tough but tasty. I found it similar to rabbit, but not too similar.

There are plenty of bars around the Plaza de Armas, but they are frequented by foreigners, a couple have salsa , but very few in that area have local music. But not very far, in the main avenue, where all the main banks are, along with the euivalent to the "Federal Reserve" delegation, and close to Koricancha church and museum, there is a not-so-nice looking installation (once inside, it was a theatre), dedicated to regional dance and music, where you pay 20-25 soles for a rather short but well presented and varied folklore show. I think it was called Centro "Cosco".

I didn't go to any church, but I don't think you need to dress conservative, at least when touring.

As everybody will tell you, you only need ONE day to adapt to altitude, but you need to take it super-easy the first day, and drink lots of coca tea. Machu Picchu is lower (2500 more or less) than Cuzco (¿3202? ¿3400?), Aguas Calientes maybe 500 less than Machu Picchu. I was never sick or nauseous.

I recommend Sacsayhuanmán too, and, since you have spare time, you may want to buy a ticket that allows you to see three more sites all in the outskirts of Cuzco for ¿20 soles?. A guide is cheaper if brought from outside the ruins instead of hiring the ones approaching you there.

The way to "chew" coca leaves is not exactly chewing them. You have to put them in the palate, humid them with saliva (they are dry), and let it be there, swallowing the juice the produce.

Rafael, my peruvian friends wouldn't agree that the economy is booming. One could say that that is because they are the common people whom the bonanza doesn't reach, but some of the people I met were small bussines owners who also suffered the economic climate. One of them downsized her firm form 6/7 people to two: herself and a helper. It seems that only big firms make big bucks in Peru nowadays, and those who have good political relations, like elsewhere. smile

All the peruvians I spoke with were really fed up with Alejandro Toledo, the differences were about who was to follow.

Now, my trip:

I left (Madrid-Lima) with air Europa, through Caracas and Bogotá (this part was outsourced with peruvian line Aerocontinente). Trip was average/good but looooong.

Air Europa average/good, Aerocontinente just average.

When you arrive to Lima airport, the taxi drivers often try to charge you 30$ for any urban movement form there. Usual price 20-30 soles may be 40 max., being generous AND opposite side of the city. Well, you are not taking them... I did, but I was well informed.

I reached a friend's family house, and planned to stay there for a night and leave for Cuzco or other destination (Puno, Trujillo, Iquitos, Arequipa, ...) but everybody warned me insistently about the unsafety of the streets, up to the point that, if I wanted to leave the closest area, any of the men escorted me, and in the night even within these safer areas too. In the daylight, I was allowed to move in the safer area with the only escort of any of the children not to get lost, and leave it without noticing. !!!! eek

"Urbanizaciones" (don't know the word: ¿condos?) had the outer entrances walled, and these gates were opened often in the daylight but at night were mainly closed, except those watched by "serenos" (night watchs). It's dangerous to be looking like you have money (they can guess by your spenditure, dressing or even your skin colour). Don't read EL comecio (the best newspaper) because it will frighten you.

Lima is huge: That's why the cheap (would-be) price of taxis can get more expensive, because, specially in rush hours, some routes maybe 1 or even 2 hours' long.

They were extremely nice and hospitable. I ended staying for three nights (two days) enjoying their hospitality, tasting the great foods, ..., but I saw very few of Lima except for a night my friend and I went out (he was working and we couldn't do it them all laugh ) and I felt kind of a "paroled and supervised ex-convict" all the time I spent in Lima. Of course i don't blame this wonderful family but the security stance of Lima. They wanted to have me there all the time I was in Lima (10 days)!!! Saints!!! smile

I left for Cuzco, and I recommend anyone who doesn't have a previous reservation to take a room (only for a day, to try it, and after seen the photo catalogues) to reserve a room at the airport because there is a lot of competence in the very luggage claim room between sellers in stands around the baggage area itself. Better prices than in the hotels.

Price wasn't exactly cheap for a 1h30m trip. I had the lower fare which was 64 $ each way (at the four companies consulted). Travelled with TANS to Cuzco (average/bad) and with LAN Perú (Chilean owned) back (average/good). Other prices for tourist fare: 80$ +.

You can have (there) a decent room for 15 $ + taxes (for the same hotel I was asked for 20$ (don't know if with or without taxes for I later re-negotiated it to "taxes-included) with breakfast: bread, butter, jam, coffee, ...

However, many of these two star-like hotels use an electric device to heat water in the shower that proved difficult to use, easy to fail, and (in Lima) it even shocked me a little (not so little) with electricity. Avoid this if u can.

Prices of taxis in Cuzco: cheap 2/3 soles most itineraries, 5 from the airport.

Food: Most restaurants for foreigners will give you a(n) (abundant) one dish meal with a beer and a tea for about 20 to 60 soles.

Peruvians use to go to their restaurants where they eat for about 5 soles + optional beer.

I had a meal (I wouldn't recommend it, hahaha) for 2,5 soles (about 70 cents. of a $)consisting of a soup (buagh!) and a reasonable "seco de cordero" (rice and lamb with sauce) and an unknown source homemade refreshment.

Water bottles and other products (specially those mostly demanded by tourists) were extremely expensive according to the national economy, anything imported was obviously more expensive, like oreo or nestlé products. Also books, cakes, ... Although if you look well, the delicious peruvian cakes (many with dulce de leche) can be found in much cheaper places than the most obvious tourist frequented streets. A therapeutic massage of null effect costed me 40$ in CUzco.

EDITED:

The train to Machu Picchu was extraordinarily expensive for (about) 90 miles / 150 Km.: 60 to 90+ dollars. It was a rather old train, with no tunnels that justified big investments (to recover through price). There was a brutal price discrimination with the peruvians in prices. I did the trick to reach Ollamtaytambo by bus (1/30 as expensive as train at least), and from there on I had to use train, which costed 14$, but 10 soles, 3$ to peruvians!. You were required to show your documents when buying the ticket.

I don't know why, but in the route back, the inverse route costed 30$ (¡¿¿¿???!). My peruvian friends paid 10 soles each or 3$ (1/10). The locals paid only 4 soles (1$). But the worst was that there was no tickets, so I recommend you to reserve both legs of the trip in advance, or you may have to travel standing, like I had to do, if you are lucky enough to board the train. I got without a ticket (in a turmoil of people) and paid ticket upstairs.

Te good thing (small) was that I paid only 10 soles, as a peruvian. I don't know if that was because they thought I was a peruvian or because they felt embarrassed to charge 30$ for a trip without a sit, standing pressed like sheep.

The bad thing is that the trip took 3 hours (should have been 1.5), and a pain in the back I had became acute and spoilt most of the rest of my holidays. They stopped some kilometres before reaching Ollantaytambo (where many people would get down) for about half an hour for the conductor to be able to ask everybody for the fare. If I had been sitted and my ticket OK, I would have felt furious because of these unnecesary delay, as I wasn't, I just felt I was going to have more of that intense pain for half an hour more.

I enjoyed also a the company of some teenagers pushing everybody, in that small space, and the vomit of another guy at my other side. At first we thought he was drunk, but he seemed to have been just hungry, and so, weak. We fed him (unfed people is not common in Perú, maybe he came from the hills or he was suddenly short of money- like lost his money or was robbed, or something).

Machu Picchu/Aguas Calientes, very expensive, and always price discrimination towards tourists "officially". Lodging and food (15-20$) at least as expensive as Cuzco or more.
Going up from the village (Aguas Calientes) to the ruins (Machu Picchu) costed 4.5$ for a tourist, 1,66 for a peruvian, for a maybe 2 miles/3 km. route. Even the peruvian price was generous! The same to go down.

To get into the Machu Picchu, yo must pay 20$ (peruvians only 10$). I had never paid anything like this to see ruins by far!

When you get out, many times it's about 1 - 3 PM, so you want to have lunch. Upstairs it's 22$. Or you can pay for the expensive bus (on foot you'd be down an hour later), and have food downstairs for 15/20 $(maybe 10 if you want an individual pizza or other cheap small foods).

Although we piled the bags and backpacks and took care the three of us of the pile, at any moment, somebody stole the guide's water bottle (hanging out of her backpack) and broke the upper part of my bag, taking a shirt. Fortunately, a pullover and other clothes pressed together protected my camera and other items, and he didn't have time to search for long. Results: Bag broken (nice bag, classy, ¡sigh!), old shirt stolen, and, what was worse, next day I was sunburnt in my arms and neck because I had no shirt, but only t-shirts.

Because of this, I enjoyed also fever, that made the Cuzco chilly nights frozen for me.

and so on...

Some food is only for strong stomachs: hot sometimes, and also suckling pig steaks have a high percentage of grease, be careful. A friend felt ill beacuse of the food. I found it great.

I lost a credit card of a peruvian friend of mine, who had lent it to me because he was no longer using that account, to keep most of my money safe and at hand. I believe it was in a travel agency, and the girl didn't tell me it fell, so, she obviously took it, and I was worried that she could use it. Fortunately, she couldn't or, at least. didn't. It is not easy to use them, you know that to withdraw money you have 3/10.000 posibilities to guess the code, and they ask you for your documentation when you want to use it to purchase, in the credit card function even more than in Spain. I'd like to mention I never lost any card in Spain, because I don't need to change it's place (my wallet), whereas there a wallet is a call for a pickpocket, so I had to put it somewhere else (in my front pocket, with the risk of falling when extracting your money or passport.

I had problems also with my plane ticket. I thought I had lost it, but it came to be that I had hidden it in a secret compartment of my suitcase, and I couldn't remember where. I recovered it the day before leaving.

When I thought I didn't have my ticket, I tried to locate Air Europa offices, butr there was no record of any phone of that company in Lima. I went through the net, and spoke to Spain (home of the company), and they told me they had a Lima office that could issue a new ticket on pay of 18$. As there was no phone, I had to go there (Miraflores), and they told me I needed to buy a new ticket for a trip days later, paying 910€ (about 1000$), and that they would give me back in Spain (after my claim was attended) 700$. So, I had to pay 210$ extra! And I had also to cancel my reserve if I wanted my claim to succeed.

I believe this girl just wanted to sell a ticket, because in other trips I have seen copies like the one I wanted (in Cuba, I believe), of the plane tickets, for a cost like the mentioned 18$.

When I found my ticket, I was so happy... until I remembered I had just cancelled my reservation. mad I had to wander again through Aerocontinente's offices (they has the outsourcing of the Lima - Caracas flight) and the internet and phoning Air Europa at Spain (closed in weekends in Lima) to make it again.

No matter that losing my ticket is my responsability (although I lost it because I had to hide it, because of the lack of safety), I found unhelpful and burocratic both AIr Europa and AeroContinente at Lima.

I love peruvian food, but with notable exceptions, I think qualities are better in Spain for the same level restaurants, and the cook is very good too, so, I was kind of deceived on what I hoped to find. On the other hand, I hate to admit that I could be rather biased, because a good jalea de pescado y marisco I had at El Callao, I didn't like it as much as in Spain, and then I learnt that the original one is made with animal fat instead of olive oil (the spanish version). Maybe I am not so free of taste prejudices as I like to consider myself.

In Perú, they dance salsa too, but most discos mix it with other non-latin musics, which I don't like. The only real salsa disco I was at, was one at Barranco district, that I recommend not to go, because they took my money and wouldn't let me get in.

We were a group of six, four entered at 3.30 am, we two went for a snack because we were hungry: salchipapa (slices of sausage and fried potatoes with sauces). The doorman made us show the six tickets all the same, although we told him some of us were leaving for a snack. We came back at 4.10, they said we couldn't get in after 4.00.

We told them nobody warned us, the ticket did not have that restriction written, and the very same doorman saw our tickets at 3.30 and knew we were leaving and didn't warn us. No use.

They wwouldn't let us in. Then, I claimed my money, they said no. Then I wanted to see the manager, he was too busy and in an unknown area inside.

I went to the police to make a denounce for fraud, but they offered to take me to the disco and speak to the porter.

The porter was rude even to the police (I hear the owner has strong political connections), what made the police be more on my side. In the end, they let me in, after having spent one hour arguing, and with only ten minutes of disco time. But I got in, what pissed them!

This is an example of how the rights of consumers are underdeveloped in Perú, be careful with this, and claim your rights. And, if it weren't because I was a tourist, I wouldn't have been paid attention by the police (my friends tell me, and I think so), and I wouldn't have entered the room at all.

Anyway, Barranco district is part of the best lima night. Go to Oita Nomá for Creole/folk music.

smile
Posted by: Chicagoan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 11/06/03 11:41 AM

Wow - thanks Ignacio for all the helpful information. That gives me a good mental image of the place. You pretty much covered it all! I like the idea of coca leaves being like some wierd tabacco that gets you over altitude sickness. And I always try the local cuisine - whatever it is, so I will try some cuy, alpaca steak, whatever they have - bring it on!
Posted by: mariacristi

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 11/06/03 09:08 PM

All the best on your peru trip chicagoan. I'm pretty sure it will cure the early mid-life crisis for you. You still got 7 yrs before hitting real mid-life and a lot will happen between those yrs. And as the cliche goes, 'life begins at 40'....so enjoy and take care.Cheers smile
Posted by: gsobotta

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 11/10/03 08:49 PM

I like to add a word of caution regarding altitude. Machu Picchu is at a lower elevation than Cuzco. However, there are three mountain passes along the way. The first is the most difficult it is over 13,000 ft, the other two are over 10,000 feet. Walking around the town visiting the local places of interest the altitude may not affect you, but carrying a 60 pound pack on a 4 or five day hike over these passes the altitude will affect you.

The major cause of altitude illnesses is going too high too fast. Given time, your body can adapt to the decrease in oxygen molecules at a specific altitude. This process is known as acclimatization and generally takes 1-3 days at that altitude. For example, if you hike to 10,000 feet (3,048 meters), and spend several days at that altitude, your body acclimatizes to 10,000 feet (3,048 meters). If you climb to 12,000 feet (3,658 meters), your body has to acclimatize once again.

A number of changes take place in the body to allow it to operate with decreased oxygen.

· The depth of respiration increases.
· Pressure in pulmonary arteries is increased, "forcing" blood into portions of the lung, which are normally not used during sea level breathing.
· The body produces more red blood cells to carry oxygen,
· The body produces more of a particular enzyme that facilitates the release of oxygen from hemoglobin to the body tissues.

Here are basic guidelines for to help with proper acclimatization.
· Stay properly hydrated. Acclimatization is often accompanied by fluid loss, so you need to drink lots of fluids to remain properly hydrated (at least 3-4 quarts per day). Urine output should be copious and clear.
· Take it easy; don't over-exert yourself when you first get up to altitude. Light activity during the day is better than sleeping because respiration decreases during sleep, exacerbating the symptoms.
· Avoid tobacco and alcohol and other depressant drugs including, barbiturates, tranquilizers, and sleeping pills. These depressants further decrease the respiratory drive during sleep resulting in a worsening of the symptoms.
· Eat a high carbohydrate diet (more than 70% of your calories from carbohydrates) while at altitude.

The acclimatization process is inhibited by dehydration, over-exertion, and alcohol and other depressant drugs. As an experienced mountain climber, I cannot remember the number of people I have rescued because they under estimated the effect of hiking at altitude.
Posted by: Chicagoan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 11/11/03 02:46 PM

I do have another question. While I am not spending the night in Lima, on my last day I have about 14 hours to kill there before my 1:10 AM flight home. I read about the taxis that charge you dollars instead of soles. How do you get around that? How should I get into and out of the city safely and cheaply? I am going to store my stuff at the airport then to go downtown, & maybe to Miraflores for the afternoon before heading home. I might as well see Lima.
any taxi advice? Any other "how to spend the perfect day in Lima" advice is welcome too. I was just going to go through my guidebook and see the major stuff. Any great restaurant/neighborhood/shop I should know about?

thanks for all the great help you all have given me!
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 11/11/03 08:31 PM

Well, the taxi matter is difficult to avoid.

Form the airport to anywhere in the city you will be asked for about 30$ (30$ seems to be the maximum fare- I believe, or just the fare- for official taxis. However, most taxis are cabs (the british way). Private cars that put a sticker in the windshield with the word "taxi".

If you want to be "absolutely" safe, you´ll have to use one of the official ones, or use other while the driver knows somebody saw you get in his cab and can identify it. Not that taxi drivers are thugs there, the many I went along were not only honest, once agreed a price, but also nice. But there are scary stories of robbery and other crimes by a tiny minority.

I used the sticker ones everytime. Cheaper. You can pay soles or dollars anytime always at the change of 1$=3.50 soles +- a couple of cents. But they don't take small notes of $(it isn't worth to change them), or any with a small break in it or too dirty (written,...).

It is very difficult to bargain with the sticker ones if they see you are a foreigner, because they know that you need the taxi. Fortunately in the airport there are so many that you can take advantage of the competence. Don't pay more than 30 soles or 8 - 9$ to go anywhere in town from the airport. I paid 10$, because I had baggage and I had no option, plus I was going the opposite side of the town.

I would hire a taxi for the night. You could negotiate at the airport or afterwards. I would say you could ask him to pick you at night (like for dinner) and take you here and there and wait for you for 60 to 80 soles, but I may be wrong. After negotiating, I had one for about 4 hours one afternoon for about 40 soles (we made a lot of routes, because I was visiting, bringing parcels, ..., and I didn't have time to be chatting (unfortunately), but it was the afternoon. Anyway, you can negotiate basing in similar amounts, and be free for sightseeing the night with your driver (provides some safety). He may warn you not to show your clock or to close the window if you cross dangerous areas, be alert to follow his indications.

Miraflores is nice.

There is a restaurant called La Rosa Naútica which is very fashionable (and expensive), it's in a mall, like in a pier, I was told. I don't know if it is just nice to be at or it's also very good with food, I heard both kind of comments, that food is excellent, and that it's good but the interest is the views.

For fish and shellfish, the best is El Callao (the port), but it can get pretty dangerous, so I would only go in a group (I was twice). I had an excellent food (cebiche mixto and pescado a lo macho) in a restaurant within a Shooting Club at Callao, although I can't remembrer the name. You can enter there freely without being a member.

Two more things:

Make sure you reserve about 28 $ for airport taxes or you will have problems to take the plane.

You will also have problems if you lose the inmigration card you have to fill when you enter the country, you'll need it to board the plane.

I was to several others, but none of them was that far over the good level of food in Lima.

P.D.: Try chocolate pies, and cakes with "dulce de leche".

P.D.D.: I have just edited the previous post, translating the spanish text and adding other notes.
Posted by: Chicagoan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 11/23/03 12:38 PM

Well, here I am in Cusco. No altitude sickness whatsoever. I arrived this morning and it is a cool little city. Very, very different from anywhere else I have travelled. I had a long, leasurely and delicious lunch of stuffed peppers on the main square. Lots of little postcard sellers, as expected. After the 20th or so sales pitch and "no gracias", I pulled out a postcard of Chicago and gave it to the little kid and talked to him for a bit.

The scenery is very pretty. I met some other travellers in the Lima airport and I may meet up with them later. Tomorrow maybe Ill do a little day trip and Tuesday its the Inca trail. Thanks for your help everyone, so far I am enjoying Peru! Lima still scares me a bit and spending 6 hours in the airport was a little wierd but definitely an experience.
Posted by: Chicagoan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 11/29/03 12:33 PM

OK, I finished the 4 day Inca trail hike. It was the best thing Ive ever done, really! Very difficult but the group I was with and the scenery were amazing. I recommend it to anyone. The old inca culture is so interesting. Thanks to all of you for your help with my trip. I am killing some time in Lima before my flight home. I could spend another 2 weeks down here just travelling around. I was apprehensive but Im really glad I came down and did this, it was just awesome.

Oh, I DID try the guinea pig. I went with some irish guys to a little tiny town about 15 miles outside of Cusco and it was the most interesting dinner experience Ive ever had!
Posted by: MadridMan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 11/29/03 02:21 PM

Chicagoan, you went alone and look, you had a GREAT time! I'm not at all surprised.

Like you, I was aprehensive after reading many horror stories and seeing all the machine-gun-toting military-ish-police but by the end of my 2-weeks in Perú and looking back on it now it was THE BEST and MOST ADVENTUROUS trip I'd ever made in my life. It's SO beautiful and SO rich in culture and history. SO green and SO mountainous. Just wonderful. I recommend it to anyone as well.

I'd like to hear more details on your Inca Trail hike. How were your feet? Did you have proper footwear? Where did you sleep and what did you eat along the way? How was Machu Picchu? Did you climb up the adjacent Huayna Picchu ? (<-read about the hike UP) Can't wait to hear more.

Welcome home, Chicagoan, and thank you for sharing your experiences with us. I'm sure you wish you could go back already.

By the way, I'm sure you'll enjoy visiting & reading " The Inca Trail: The Trek to Machu Picchu ". This personal site also includes sections about Lima, Cusco, and many of the surrounding villages visited by the average tourist to Perú.

Saludos, MadridMan
Posted by: Chicagoan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 12/01/03 03:05 PM

More details: There was a group of 16 of us. An average age of about 35, I would say but there were two grandparents with us too! A good mix of Aussies, Brits, Germans, Dutch and some Brazilians. You can rent anything you need - sleeping bad, mattress, tent and a porter to carry it. We slept at rustic campgrounds along the way. The first campground was sort of like a farm/barnyard with animals running around. One of the mud huts sold beer and bottled water out of the kitchen window! Whenever we got to the campground, the porters had already run ahead and set out tents up for us. It was such a strenuous hike and those guys were fast! We also had a big dining tent and food that far exceeded my expectations. No freeze-dried stuff here. Soup, rice, avacado, salad, potatoes, chicken, all kinds of good stuff. Coca tea was also served at every meal. It was nice to eat dinner together every night. We had good conversation and talked about traditions, jobs, our families and pop culture in each of our countries. On Thanksgiving, everyone made sure I ate a lot! We had to get up at 6AM the first two mornings and 4AM the last day so we could get to Macchu Piccu at sunrise. Each morning the cooks and porters delivered tea to each tent so you could have tea in bed, isn't that nice? I wore a kind of cross-breed between hiking boots and running shoes. Trail runners I think they are called. Only two people were in terrific shape (I was not one of them) but they really encourage you to go slow, at your own pace. In fact, if you were too fast our guide would say "It's not a race". Nobody ever, ever complained. It was very difficult walking/climbing sometimes but I didn't want to be "the american that complained". Sometimes you hike alone for an hour and sometimes you find yourself with other people. A few times each day we stopped and waited for everyone to hear a speech or see some ruins. The good attitude everyone had was contageous. I'm not some new-age or very religious person, but it was kind of like a pilgramage and very spiritual. The Incas worshipped nature, mother earth and the sky which was really cool. It appears they were peaceful, harmonious people. I'd love to go back in time and spend a few days with them! We also learned a lot (and I had read previously) about Francisco Pizzaro and the spanish invasion which was fascinating. Macchu Piccu was better than the pictures. Much bigger than I thought and green with mist and clouds swirling around, it was like a fairytale. I would think it would be harder for someone who was not used to camping and getting dirty. There was one freezing cold shower the second night. I've camped a lot my entire life so that aspect was easy for me but I can't assume some of my friends with higher cleanliness/comfort standards would have liked it. And afterall, everyone is in the same boat (stinky and dirty) so you just kind of joke about it together. Some people had stomach problems too but just took it all in stride.

I would also say that the types of travellers and backpackers you meet down there are different than the ones I've met in Europe. There were MANY people on 6, 8 or year-long trips. Everyone in my group was SO well travelled. I was the only one who hadn't been to Asia or the Pacific region. In fact, I was kind of like the "easily amused, country bumpkin" of the group! haha. I THINK South America draws people who are looking for a little bit more of a challenge. At least Peru and the jungle region did. I meet people everywhere I go but these people were SO cool in sort of an adventurous, slightly crunchy way. I met a couple of guys in the airport the first night and hung out with them in Cusco right away. We also got to know people who were hiking the same days we did who used different guides/companies. I loved every second of the Inca trail and the company I used, SAS travel, was really good. The third night we got to eat dinner in an actual lodge and had a party with all the hikers on the trail, beer and salsa dancing. It made getting up at 4AM a little rough but it was a blast. Every other night we fell into bed at about 10PM.

I did not to to Huayna Picchu. I had wanted to but it was raining really hard and I was EXHAUSTED. It looks very steep! I will get my pictures posted somewhere and post the link in the next week or so along with my Greece pics.

Anyone remotely interested in South America, nature, mountains or adventure would love it. There are good people down there.
Posted by: MadridMan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 12/09/03 03:45 PM

[originally posted by Chicagoan on 12-09-2003 03:15 PM]

I finally have them on-line. Hopefully you can get to them. You have to register really quick at Ofoto but they do NOT spam!

http://www.ofoto.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=135iryi7.an58da3b&Uy=-mg61bn&Upost_signin=BrowsePhotos.jsp%3FshowSlide%3Dtrue&Ux=1
Posted by: MadridMan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 12/09/03 03:48 PM

What a shame you have to register to view your trip photos, Chicagoan. I haven't even registered for the free online version of The New York Times because I don't care for this requirement. That's a shame. Oh well.

Saludos, MadridMan
Posted by: Chicagoan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 12/09/03 04:54 PM

OK, I changed it so you can bypass the registration part by just clicking on "view photos" at the top. Hopefully this will work.

Sorry there are only a few pictures of Athens in there, Madridman. I took a ton of pictures in 02 when I visited all the historical sights. These are mostly of the islands.

http://www.ofoto.com/ShareLandingSignin....3Dtrue&Ux=0
Posted by: MadridMan

Re: I'm going to Peru - who else has been? - 12/09/03 07:43 PM

GREAT PHOTOS! Thanks for helping us bypass that annoying, personal-information-trolling registration form so we could enjoy your photos. Very nice of you. And I love the Perú photos! So your pantleg "touched" part of the "restroom" along the way and you had to stash them in a ziplock bag for the rest of the trail, eh? Yikes! eek And WHAT a restroom it was. eek Did the Inca use that, by chance? wink hehehe..

Saludos, MadridMan